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With this group my first reaction is always this forum than youtube and last resort the manual. Think I've got my priorities wrong ;-)

I actually found the manual by Ltwoo to be fairly complete and helpful. That's kind of a surprise, I know.
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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild Quality Control
« Last post by RDY on Today at 07:58:02 AM »
I wish there was a dislike button. Who are you, and how much 1st hand experience with VB and other frames do you have?
Saying there is "no quality control whatsoever from velobuild" is simply false. I don't even want to argue, I just wish posts could be downvoted.

I don't think there is any.  I've seen numerous frames first hand from them over the past 3 years, including one I bought.  Half were absolute trash ... and looked like someone had been messing around with power tools when drunk.  Some were actually quite good.  But it's a lottery as to what you'll get.  Maybe the suppliers they use are now less stretched than they were, after the covid goldrush ended, but there's still no evidence that recent VB stuff has any QC whatsoever, as total trash is still getting shipped - stuff you can spot from metres away with just a glance.

Pre-covid, I think they were much better.  Now, I'd never recommend them to anyone.
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It seems only recent shimano derailleurs have this "stabilizing screw". Don't worry front derailleurs work perfectly without this feature.
I don't know about it working perfectly without that stabilizing screw.  The screw keeps the derailleur aligned for more consistent shifting for longer without it rubbing 
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Wendy did reply to me and tried to help we're she can. I really appreciate that. But she told me that there is only this hanger version. So I guess I have to go without the stabilizing screw and try to index it somehow. As I'm reading in other forum it is also like that to e.g. Basso frames.
It seems only recent shimano derailleurs have this "stabilizing screw". Don't worry front derailleurs work perfectly without this feature.

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Unfortunately I can't post anything yesterday. Seems like the Website has some problems. I still can't post pictures for some reason.

I was wrong about the hanger. It isn't screwed. It looks like 2.5mm hex but it is riveted.

Wendy did reply to me and tried to help we're she can. I really appreciate that. But she told me that there is only this hanger version. So I guess I have to go without the stabilizing screw and try to index it somehow. As I'm reading in other forum it is also like that to e.g. Basso frames.

In terms of internal cable routing, I finished that yesterday. With the right tools it was possible but not fun at all  ;D

I don't know if it is normal but when I turn the handlebar, there is a hearable rubbing of the cables in the headset area. Should be normal I guess, because the cables need to move somehow when the handlebar is turned. It's my first internally routed frame.

Looks great so far. Hope that front mechanical derailleur will work okay.  LC should really state that the bike is not designed for mechanical front derailleurs.
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it's also written in the LTWOO instructions manual that comes with the group, from memory.

With this group my first reaction is always this forum than youtube and last resort the manual. Think I've got my priorities wrong ;-)
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Agreed. And the 177 is improved over the 168. And the 268 is improved over both 177 & 168.

I wouldn't call the 177 improved at all. It's basically a non-aero version of the 168. Might be lighter but it's not an improvement in my eyes. The 268 is an evolution for sure but that weird quick release thru axle thing is a big step backwards to me. But everybody can have their own opinion. I'd still pick the 168 given the choice of all three.
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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Velobuild Quality Control
« Last post by blublob on Today at 05:11:07 AM »
I wish there was a dislike button. Who are you, and how much 1st hand experience with VB and other frames do you have?
Saying there is "no quality control whatsoever from velobuild" is simply false. I don't even want to argue, I just wish posts could be downvoted.
I'm sorry that you feel butthurt. It would certainly help the conversation if you could bring yourself to argue your point. Have you audited their production to know they are doing any QC? Are you sure you aren't conflating quality with quality control? In general you don't necessarily need any of the later to produce a decent product...

I've bought two frames from them, one perfect as you can only wish for, the other had a fork steerer tube that was 2mm(!!!) out of round, oval oversized pressfit BB (so you can't press in anything because you can just pull it out without any force), threads of the brake interfaces filled with resin, a seat tube that was only reamed out to about 7cm depth, voids on any machined surface and flaking paint right out of the box (that it wasn't painted as agreed upon should be a given at this point),.
The issues of that second frame are so obvious and present through the whole manufacturing process that I can't imagine even a rudimentary QC process to miss ALL of them and not pull that frame at some point from the production line before it reaches a customer.

I've audited enough production places to know the theme. They aren't evil, notice the defects and send them to the customers anyway - they just don't have dedicated processes set up so a defective product can be detected and pulled from the line at a later stage without incuring penalities to the person reporting the defects.
QC is a significant "non-productive" share of the production cost. If you can cut that, you'll be able to offer the product for cheaper. If your production is set up well in general, so the defect rate is low, you might even come ahead in customer experience on average.
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Looking great. Almost done in 1 day... impressive!

You could have used some dampner on the cables to avoid that rubbing sound. Not sure you are a weight weenie ahah Some ppl end up not putting it because of the 30g extra  ;D

As regards indexation I don't think you'll have a major problem with it. Keep us updated and show us the final result on the road too eheh

Thank you  :)

I used some kind of rubber sleeve specific for anti rattle on each cable. It is more that you can hear/feel the movement inside when turning the handlebar. It's not a problem as it will not be noticable while riding I guess.

The wheel set should be delivered tomorrow according to DHL.
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Looking great. Almost done in 1 day... impressive!

You could have used some dampner on the cables to avoid that rubbing sound. Not sure you are a weight weenie ahah Some ppl end up not putting it because of the 30g extra  ;D

As regards indexation I don't think you'll have a major problem with it. Keep us updated and show us the final result on the road too eheh

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