for sample order we can supply the motor and battery or introduce you the supplier, for bulk order please contact bafang company directly!

Thank you !
What quantity qualify for a bulk order ?

Anyone dared to take the chance on this frame?
Looks like a aethos clone and with a lot lower weight than the other clone options.
Sold by a Auto-store, not exactly confidence inspiring

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006020955577.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.72323d80cqss0M&mp=1

Anyone saw a kind of Crux already ?

For SZZS CEF-50 info:
https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/shenzhen-zhaosheng-carbon-cef50-lightweight-using-bafang-m820-motor-specifications-thread.32613/

For Lightcarbpn LCS-930
https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/m820-bafang-lightcarbon-lce930-frame-lightweight.32185/

Where do you get the motors from ?

As the CFR505/SL is a gravel frame, I would assume it's designed to be compliant and absorb vibration. I've been riding mine for a few weeks now, definitely a very comfortable ride. If you're looking for a super stiff race bike, this would not be it.

Put 25mm tires on a deep carbon wheelset, and you'll get a stiff bike feel with it
Compliance comes from big tires, and the 27.2 seatpost(something you can't make stiffer  ), the frame and fork are not flexing at all.

... I’ve been riding all kinds of Campagnolo groupsets for years...

I programmed my Campy EPS to work the SRAM way. Unfortunately, it doesn't support double-tap, so I still need the thumb paddles for the chainring. Even after 2-3 years, I sometimes hesitate between left or right 

The SRAM approach, just one paddle per shifter, is the most intuitive to me.
Left for easier, right for harder.
Press both to toggle the chainring, which goes always the right direction since you want to change it.

It's the same for my MTB, where I use blips buttons for an AXS Eagle and the seatpost.

I really hope Sensah/LTWOO will allow for this kind of programming... and why not include blips!

It was 557 but with coupons and promo codes I had the discount to 412€. I ordered a lot from AE and never payed taxes so we will see if I have to pay extra tax if it arrives but probably not. I’m located in belgium

Me too, it looks like there are ways some sellers find 

Hands down best option is buy an ultrasonic cleaner.  If you get a big enough one you can put cassettes and chainrings in there too.  Even jockey wheels and stuff if you are deep cleaning.

I have a big one, enough for an Eagle cassette.
But it is too big to heat(better results)
So I use pots or bags, with hot water in the big cold bath.
I wouldn't take one that big again.

Did you build them yourself? I haven't made it down that avenue yet, but I'd love to. I started building a diy truing stand a while back. Now might be the time.

It is a very gratifying experience if you try.
Novatec 711/712 are very light, good and cheap.
Light bicycle can provide you very light rims. Even carbon aero spokes(maybe harder to start with than Pillar or CX-Rays).
So you can end at about 1kg for a wheelset.