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Chinese Carbon Road Bikes => Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components => Topic started by: nis240sxt on October 02, 2024, 01:10:52 PM
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Little background info: I've been an early adopter on chinese parts ~8 years, started with wheels from light bicycle then framesets. I've been cycling since childhood but started getting serious in my adult years starting with mountain bikes then transitioned to road and gravel. I've spent a ton of $$ already and have ridden a few OEM brands. Was really impressed with the light bicycle wheels so this gave me the confidence to explore framesets. In 2019 i bought a 650B carbon hardtail frameset from Ebay and built it up. It's been ridden hard over some rough trails with zero issues. In 2020 i bought a LightCarbon LCR015-D which was my current bike until getting the SL8 replica 2 months ago. It's getting to a point now where the Chinese products are so damn good that i don't buy OEM bikes anymore. Even the accessories like chainrings, handlebars, etc.. i've had zero issues. When it came to this frameset i was a little skeptical but more curious since this was a replica of a current popular frameset. Was it possible to get similar performance for a fraction of the cost? So far i have to say yes. Durability remains to be seen but i've been hammering the crap out of this bike with no ill effects (i weigh 190lbs). It's a size 52 built up not really weight weenie but with pedals, cages and computer mount about 6.8kg. My long time bike mechanic says everything looks really good, only issue was the headset cover provided is cheap and flimsy and caused it to bind up there but he fixed it with some shims. I have included some internal pics but the frameset looks really clean inside from what i can tell, no sharp edges when running my fingers inside the BB, headtube, seat tube. I'm really blown away by how this thing rides and performs, it seems to have the same qualities as all the reviews given. If you're interested just search for light road frameset on Aliexpress, you'll know what it is when you see it. Colored me impressed!!
Build 8/2024
Frameset: 52CM Replica frame (685 grams) came with fork (345 grams), seatpost, 1 piece handlebar (no mounts), der. hangers, headset accessories
Wheels&Tires: Light Bicycle AR56, GP 5000 S TR 700x28 tubeless with Muc-Off valves and sealant
Drivetrain: 1x Force AXS 10-28, Rotor Qarbon 50T, Rotor 165mm Kapic Carbon, Stone 110BCD Rotor Adapter, Token BSA BB, KMC Gold/Black X12, Speedplay Pedals
Brakes: 2024 Force, Ashima 160/140mm rotors
Shifters: 2024 Force
Bartape: Deda Carbon
Seat: S-Works Power 155 Mirror
Cages: Arundel Mandible
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Nice build but couldn’t find the seller om Ali.
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I was like how'd you get it to 6.8kg and then noticed it was 1x! Nice build, but not fond of brand logos on replica bikes. It's enough bragging rights that you built a solid bike for a good price! ;D
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I was like how'd you get it to 6.8kg and then noticed it was 1x! Nice build, but not fond of brand logos on replica bikes. It's enough bragging rights that you built a solid bike for a good price! ;D
In hindsight i agree with you, should've went no logos.
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In hindsight i agree with you, should've went no logos.
I like it, thats a bitchen ride.
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Very nice! Who's the seller exactly? I made a list in the sellers section of the forum of sellers of fakes and so far I black listed all of them.
I'm considering doing a similar build assuming I can get the bike without logo and I'd then put on a vinyl ass-works logo on it because I'm an 8 year old troll at heart, like I did with my tractor.
Did you get additional photos of the inside of the frame?
The frame weight is impressive, how much did you pay for the frame exactly?
Is there any area, especially the down tube, where you can flex the frame with your hand? Apparently the down tube of the new ostro vam flexes like that (and same on at least one frame of the LC 17D).
Ass-works... Or maybe sex-works? There are two sides on a bike after all. Or only-fans. The Factor font was easy enough to hack, the specialized one should be similar if not easier.
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Build 8/2024
Frameset: 52CM Replica frame (685 grams) came with fork (345 grams), seatpost, 1 piece handlebar (no mounts), der. hangers, headset accessories
It even comes with the "Peel Me" sticker with SN# near the bottom bracket that comes on genuine S**d frames. It makes you wonder who would go to such extent to mirror every little detail. I've seen a total of 4 replica frames throughout the years, 2 of which I built for a friend, and none had this level of detail. Smooth on the inside but no SN# and stuff like that. Happy riding!
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Very nice! Who's the seller exactly? I made a list in the sellers section of the forum of sellers of fakes and so far I black listed all of them.
I'm considering doing a similar build assuming I can get the bike without logo and I'd then put on a vinyl ass-works logo on it because I'm an 8 year old troll at heart, like I did with my tractor.
Did you get additional photos of the inside of the frame?
The frame weight is impressive, how much did you pay for the frame exactly?
Is there any area, especially the down tube, where you can flex the frame with your hand? Apparently the down tube of the new ostro vam flexes like that (and same on at least one frame of the LC 17D).
Ass-works... Or maybe sex-works? There are two sides on a bike after all. Or only-fans. The Factor font was easy enough to hack, the specialized one should be similar if not easier.
Off topic : The Van Rysel FCR is also flex in the down tube.
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Seems well made! glad to know it rides well too. BB well finished is a plus.
The weights are spot on with the original one for both frame and fork. How much did the seat post weight?
The only major difference visible from the pictures is that the original has visible carbon layers on the head tube and front half of the top tube.
Can't you just peel the stickers? They seem to be over the clear coat (just like the original rtp)
How much did the frame cost?
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Off topic : The Van Rysel FCR is also flex in the down tube.
It's not far off topic, because we peasants assume carbon should be rigid, and we bitched on the light carbon 17D thread when someone said his down tube flexes.
But if it turns out that's what a light frame is supposed to do, then it might (or might not) be a feature and not a bug.
I've never seen on mainstream YouTube people saying that fancy frames are flexy to the touch, and that sounds terrifying, but given the market is back to trying to make light frames...
So the Nero show from yesterday says the ostro vam flexes, you say the van rysel fcr flexes (a friend of mine has one, and from memory he got the highest tier of carbon so I'll ask him), I'll compile a list in my head.
If some frames of a given model flex, and others don't, then whether a BB hole is the right tolerances or not becomes the least problematic thing in the world...
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It's not far off topic, because we peasants assume carbon should be rigid, and we bitched on the light carbon 17D thread when someone said his down tube flexes.
But if it turns out that's what a light frame is supposed to do, then it might (or might not) be a feature and not a bug.
I've never seen on mainstream YouTube people saying that fancy frames are flexy to the touch, and that sounds terrifying, but given the market is back to trying to make light frames...
So the Nero show from yesterday says the ostro vam flexes, you say the van rysel fcr flexes (a friend of mine has one, and from memory he got the highest tier of carbon so I'll ask him), I'll compile a list in my head.
If some frames of a given model flex, and others don't, then whether a BB hole is the right tolerances or not becomes the least problematic thing in the world...
I'm talking about the FCR which only has one carbon version available. Unlike the RCR which exists in two versions (including a Pro version). Disclaimer, I am not an expert but: The flexibility of carbon frame does not raise a problem for me depending on how the strenght are applied to the frame (compression, transverse force, etc.). This does not call into question the reliability of the frame but can alter the lifespan of the frame or in the event of an impact, making it more fragile.
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If you're interested just search for light road frameset on Aliexpress, you'll know what it is when you see it.
Hey, very nice build ! Do you think you can share the link here ? I can't find neither the seller on AliExpress.
For the front caliber, did you have to use the Specialized SL8 adapter ? Thanks !
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The weights are spot on with the original one for both frame and fork. How much did the seat post weight?
Thanks for the build report. I‘m also interrested in a SL8 replica but was a bit worried about the fragile looking rear triangle. I would almost prever if the frame was 300g heavier than the original. But maybe that is an irrational worry.
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680 g replica frame is wild, and I would not have the guts to try it ;D
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Ass-works... Or maybe sex-works? There are two sides on a bike after all. Or only-fans. The Factor font was easy enough to hack, the specialized one should be similar if not easier.
Yeah, you might want to continue your search for a name :) Ass-works might be more appropriate for a gay-only club :)
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Well he is French so it goes well with the stereotype that we are very “open” and adaptable people lol
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well yeah that's why it's funny!
I mean bigrock is a literal brand, while mine would be trolling :)
How would you best troll an S-works owner than by associating his bike to some gay bar sounding name?
By funny, i should add i think it's funny. your mileage may vary :)
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Not sure if anyone has found a 600 gram frame, plenty of 800 gram frames though.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007773910195.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.13.fccf32d4bxlLLI&algo_pvid=e86475cd-6dec-4c18-8060-b323ba534a4a&algo_exp_id=e86475cd-6dec-4c18-8060-b323ba534a4a-6&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21AUD%211029.99%211029.99%21%21%214900.05%214900.05%21%40210312d517280247902682103edf09%2112000042156763118%21sea%21AU%21762393341%21X&curPageLogUid=qtRh2aYx2tJV&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A
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Not sure if anyone has found a 600 gram frame, plenty of 800 gram frames though.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007773910195.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.13.fccf32d4bxlLLI&algo_pvid=e86475cd-6dec-4c18-8060-b323ba534a4a&algo_exp_id=e86475cd-6dec-4c18-8060-b323ba534a4a-6&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21AUD%211029.99%211029.99%21%21%214900.05%214900.05%21%40210312d517280247902682103edf09%2112000042156763118%21sea%21AU%21762393341%21X&curPageLogUid=qtRh2aYx2tJV&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A
I recognize the photos on that listing, there's fuckery going on. It's the same photos as the obm something link that was posted earlier on that thread.
I've been investigating fakes so it's very fresh in my mind. That obm blablabla is the only seller I haven't black listed yet, they're on holidays like most in China until the 8th. That's not an endorsement, it's just that they haven't raised red flags yet.
I posted about sellers selling fakes in the sellers section of the forum, and we know it's routine practice for a given "economic agent" to use multiple accounts on AliExpress, and they know what they're selling is completely illegal. AliExpress knows that as well and is explicitly complicit.
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Not sure if anyone has found a 600 gram frame, plenty of 800 gram frames though.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007773910195.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.13.fccf32d4bxlLLI&algo_pvid=e86475cd-6dec-4c18-8060-b323ba534a4a&algo_exp_id=e86475cd-6dec-4c18-8060-b323ba534a4a-6&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21AUD%211029.99%211029.99%21%21%214900.05%214900.05%21%40210312d517280247902682103edf09%2112000042156763118%21sea%21AU%21762393341%21X&curPageLogUid=qtRh2aYx2tJV&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A
normally they will use the smallest raw carbon frame to get the lightest possible weight.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006471937256.html?pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21US%20%24700.00%21US%20%24693.50%21%21%21700.00%21693.50%21%402136637917175611260674463e67a9%2112000037318982788%21sh%21US%21239339037%21&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_allItems_or_groupList.new_all_items_2007599312830.1005006471937256&gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.hotSpots_2009574406236.0
I have purchased a frameset from this store, a painted size 56 painted frame weighs 900g.
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Great and spicy topic :D
Do the replica frames also come with all the accessories and hardware? e.g di2 battery mount, as the seatpost is to narrow to fit the di2 battery. Or is the seatpost sightly wider than the original?
Would also be great to know if the seatpost is compatible. On most (if not all) SL7 clones, the original seatpost would not fit.
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Great and spicy topic :D
Do the replica frames also come with all the accessories and hardware? e.g di2 battery mount, as the seatpost is to narrow to fit the di2 battery. Or is the seatpost sightly wider than the original?
Would also be great to know if the seatpost is compatible. On most (if not all) SL7 clones, the original seatpost would not fit.
They don't provide you the battery holder for the seatpost which is suitably copied because they drill 2 holes for you in order to install the battery holder. So you either have to buy the real part (~9.99$) or buy a 3D printed one on Ali (which is more expensive).
I purchased a 1:1 copied of the frame and I can tell you that some specific details are unsuitably copied. If you check my fork, you'll see that I attempted to install the Specialized mount for the front caliber and it didn't fit at all. Apparently, they prefer to fit the size of standard mount.
Those recent days, I contacted many sellers on AliExpress in order to see if they sell the famouse RedBull Bora Hansgrohe frame and I notified that all of them provide me the same pictures, haha. So, I really wonder if all those frames came from the same manufactory.
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Hi guys, I have a sl8 clone from yohobike. Had to rework or grind some details, but on the whole it has been inconspicuous and good to ride for a few 100km. The handlebar as a Roval Rapide clone is a bit too flexible, but works well. I also suspect that the sl8 clones all come from the same factory and it depends on the seller whether, for example, the BSA housing or the brake caliper mounts are machined with a milling tool before shipping.
By the way... the original sl8 seatpost fit very well. Had to buy the longer Version.
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Color is just UD glossy.
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Color is just UD glossy.
Looks great (even without the decals), thanks for the insights!
Also very interesting that the seatpost fits! Makes me think that they bought legit frames and 3D-scanned them or stole the original cad-files from the legit specialized OEM. (and not just remodel the frame by looking at the geometry chart and pictures...)
But the non-matching front caliper mount makes me think otherwise again...
Would be interesting to see a comparison of all the tube shapes of the clone and the real SL8 :o
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Hi guys, I have a sl8 clone from yohobike.
I also suspect that the sl8 clones all come from the same factory and it depends on the seller whether, for example, the BSA housing or the brake caliper mounts are machined with a milling tool before shipping.
What / where is yohobike?
No way, as some frames are EPS moulded and others not. wouldnt make sense for one underground factory to do both techniques in parallel (it would come up in discussions with tiers of carbon / quality / price.
So it's at least 2 sources :)
And we have the seller of the white factor shitting on all his competitors.
I've listed the sellers of fakes that i quizzed in the sellers section on this forum.
Makes me think that they bought legit frames and 3D-scanned them or stole the original cad-files from the legit specialized OEM. (and not just remodel the frame by looking at the geometry chart and pictures...)
I really, really doubt 3d scanning is used to make open moulds & fakes. 3d scanning is very hard, and given the chinese VALUE what the west calls IP theft, you can expect them to steal your design and pat each other the back for the feat. So, idk how they get moulds & CAD files, but they do. Also, it all happens in Xiamen, largely away from western eyes, so there's really something to be said about the role of culture, community and perception of whats' virtuous or not. Then you can even take the mile high view of the CCP's objective to have China gain back its status as superpower, so stealing western IP is helping making China great again.
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normally they will use the smallest raw carbon frame to get the lightest possible weight.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006471937256.html?pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%21US%20%24700.00%21US%20%24693.50%21%21%21700.00%21693.50%21%402136637917175611260674463e67a9%2112000037318982788%21sh%21US%21239339037%21&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_allItems_or_groupList.new_all_items_2007599312830.1005006471937256&gatewayAdapt=4itemAdapt&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.hotSpots_2009574406236.0
I have purchased a frameset from this store, a painted size 56 painted frame weighs 900g.
Hi
I am going to buy extactly the same frame (same color, same size).
How is the coupling of the headset / fork / handlebar ? From the picture it seems quite good.
Did you buy also the handlebar from Peter ?
Thank you!
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Hi
I am going to buy extactly the same frame (same color, same size).
How is the coupling of the headset / fork / handlebar ? From the picture it seems quite good.
Did you buy also the handlebar from Peter ?
Thank you!
hey, yes peter was the seller. everything is within my expectations, if you could buy the original headset from specialize, i'd say do that. i find that headset from replica frames/or even chinese OEMs are made from injection molding with poor QC. different colors, visible flashes and sometimes the spacers don't stack up properly. also the maximum spacers allowed is 35mm without including the transition spacers. peter only gave me 25mm worth of spacers.
the internals are not silky smooth but nothing out of tolerances.
handlebar is pretty good, relatively easy to route the brake cables
the supplied di2 holder is not that good, i had to use electrical tape to wound up the insert point to ensure the battery don't come out.
i did not have any issues with brake mount facing, no brake rubs
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I really, really doubt 3d scanning is used to make open moulds & fakes. 3d scanning is very hard, and given the chinese VALUE what the west calls IP theft, you can expect them to steal your design and pat each other the back for the feat. So, idk how they get moulds & CAD files, but they do. Also, it all happens in Xiamen, largely away from western eyes, so there's really something to be said about the role of culture, community and perception of whats' virtuous or not. Then you can even take the mile high view of the CCP's objective to have China gain back its status as superpower, so stealing western IP is helping making China great again.
Specialized doesn't even bother to pay their textile factory workers in El Salvador. I won't be losing any sleep because their overpriced frames get copied.
https://www.greenamerica.org/press-release/specialized-and-others-failed-pay-workers-2-million (https://www.greenamerica.org/press-release/specialized-and-others-failed-pay-workers-2-million)
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the internals are not silky smooth but nothing out of tolerances.
This thread is normalizing buying fakes, when in the past on this forum there was a strong pushback. It is evident a lot of people are curious, myself included.
My 5 cents: the fake SL8 are some of the lightest frames available atm. And they're fakes. And at least half of them use bladder moulding, which is "the internals are not silky smooth" means.
This graph is from a YT video on specialized layup iterations (computer generated). At their price point, you can assume they do use high end carbon fibers.
An aero open mould frame weighing 1000-1150g from an OEM made w T800, EPS moulded, at a 500$ price point can be plenty stiff and perform really well, in the sense that i dont see why it wouldnt, especially if you have plenty of seatpost exposed (i have long legs) for road buzz deflection / comfort, and big tyres: there's plenty of material and shapes that scream "stiff" and "robust".
BUT, a FAKE frame sold by anonymous people telling you "i can't tell you that, i dont want to go jail", making very affordable frames (an important question is, how cheap can you get the unpainted frame, because if they say 500$, then it's T800, not even T1000, which then means there's no way it performs nearly as well as the real deal in stiffness, ride quality and so on), that weigh very close to the real frame, could very well be a very poor frame.
So, if you're jealous of your dentist friend riding the real one and just want to keep up with the joneses, rather than truly riding your bike, then you do you, i wont lecture you on values and what not, and a frame that looks pretty could 100% be enough.
But if you want to ride that bike hard, at the very least, make sure it's EPS moulded (at least half of the suppliers i looked at sell bladder moulded SL8 / wont show their internals).
You can't back solve for the same weight by using cheap materials, outdated manufacturing processes, made by shady ass people who knowingly lie for a living, whom you'll never meet in your life, and expect anywhere near the same performance. And i'm not talking 90% of the performance for a fraction of the cost. Given OEMs aren't really offering frames at that weight yet, be very skeptical and careful, unless you're fine riding a pool noodle, or worse. In fact i think a fair share of the interest in fake SL8 is because OEMs aren't really offering frames at these weights yet (it's the case for me, i dont actually like the look of the sl8 much, i think it's bland).
I'm curious myself, which is why i posted about it in the sellers section, but so far i've only found red flags and people to black list. Imagine you have an accident riding something illegal that collapses from under you. is your insurance going to cover you? I wouldn't.
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I am curious to understand more about this EPS vs bladder thing. I understand the former is the state of the art technology now. I understand it provides a better and more uniform compression which likely gives stiffer frame and less material required. Is the performance difference really evident in real life? Or is it only some weight saving at the end of the day? Are there western brands that still use bladders? If not how recently did the transition happen in the industry?
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I am curious to understand more about this EPS vs bladder thing. I understand the former is the state of the art technology now. I understand it provides a better and more uniform compression which likely gives stiffer frame and less material required. Is the performance difference really evident in real life? Or is it only some weight saving at the end of the day? Are there western brands that still use bladders? If not how recently did the transition happen in the industry?
It's not as clear cut as say that it provides a x% benefit in stiffness, for eg.
But it's all of the above. In fact, EPS monocoque is better than EPS w 2 triangles bonded together.
In 2024, buying a chinese frame that's bladder moulded means you're buying an old frame, a frame several steps below velobuild, or a frame from a clown, basically. Will it ride well? it could, we've been riding bladder moulded frames for years. Is it a red flag in 2024? Yes.
I'm sure you can still find brands using bladders (rules have exceptions), but we're talking chinese frames without the benefit of the western logo on it and the peace of mind of LBS support. And on this thread especially, we're talking fakes at leading edge weights, and the average westerner is many, many kilos heavier than the average chinese; structural integrity does matter.
If it's EPS, the chances that your frame is clown made shit is lower. As far as i'm concerned, it's a probability game, and the weights (in the equation) vary over time.
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I have two of these frames, raced with them and send one back under warranty received something else instead. Still discussing with Yoho bike the warranty on the last frame. They are ghosting me.
Managed to crack out the bottom bracket from sprinting after a corner.
Borat quality frames.
I have ridden alot of these replica frames last years. These SL frames are something else. Most people have to use washers between the spacers since they couldn't even copy it decently.
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I have two of these frames, raced with them and send one back under warranty received something else instead. Still discussing with Yoho bike the warranty on the last frame. They are ghosting me.
Managed to crack out the bottom bracket from sprinting after a corner.
Borat quality frames.
I have ridden alot of these replica frames last years. These SL frames are something else. Most people have to use washers between the spacers since they couldn't even copy it decently.
Alright well I have well and certainly taken this frame off the list. Thanks for the update mate!
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I have two of these frames, raced with them and send one back under warranty received something else instead. Still discussing with Yoho bike the warranty on the last frame. They are ghosting me.
Managed to crack out the bottom bracket from sprinting after a corner.
Borat quality frames.
I have ridden alot of these replica frames last years. These SL frames are something else. Most people have to use washers between the spacers since they couldn't even copy it decently.
Have you ever ridden a genuine SL and how is compared to your fake one ?
Did you pay by Paypal for the warranty ?
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So basically this frame is good enough for the coffee ride to show off, but not for actual race use? ;D
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So basically this frame is good enough for the coffee ride to show off, but not for actual race use? ;D
let's think a minute about worst case scenarios here. some cringe poser joins your group ride with an slfake. That day, it's tempo day, you're going 45kmh in a peloton, he takes a pothole, his frame self destructs, and he causes a crash for himself and others. to be honest, I would finish him off with my own fists.
we havent had reports of frames self destructing for years on this forum, those are horror stories of velobuild frames from many years ago. Now that weight is all the rage again, i really dont want to ride in pelotons with people on super light & unsafe frames. My open mould is a tank.
That is a problem.
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let's think a minute about worst case scenarios here. some cringe poser joins your group ride with an slfake. That day, it's tempo day, you're going 45kmh in a peloton, he takes a pothole, his frame self destructs, and he causes a crash for himself and others. to be honest, I would finish him off with my own fists.
Isn't that what most brandname/mainstream cyclists think about our Chinese no-name framesets? ;D
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Yea but fake SL8's come with the potential for a beat down from Serge. A serious consequence that everyone should consider.
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let's think a minute about worst case scenarios here. some cringe poser joins your group ride with an slfake. That day, it's tempo day, you're going 45kmh in a peloton, he takes a pothole, his frame self destructs, and he causes a crash for himself and others. to be honest, I would finish him off with my own fists.
we havent had reports of frames self destructing for years on this forum, those are horror stories of velobuild frames from many years ago. Now that weight is all the rage again, i really dont want to ride in pelotons with people on super light & unsafe frames. My open mould is a tank.
That is a problem.
Same risk if you ride in a normal amateur peloton made of bikes of 4-5 years, maybe entry level, with no-manteinance etc.
Or do you ask to the cyclists you follow/cycle with if their bike is “safe” ?
I get your intention and I partially agree but, at the end, I think that anyone can buy the bike they want, fake SL8 included
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Very nice! Who's the seller exactly? I made a list in the sellers section of the forum of sellers of fakes and so far I black listed all of them.
I'm considering doing a similar build assuming I can get the bike without logo and I'd then put on a vinyl ass-works logo on it because I'm an 8 year old troll at heart, like I did with my tractor.
Did you get additional photos of the inside of the frame?
The frame weight is impressive, how much did you pay for the frame exactly?
Is there any area, especially the down tube, where you can flex the frame with your hand? Apparently the down tube of the new ostro vam flexes like that (and same on at least one frame of the LC 17D).
Ass-works... Or maybe sex-works? There are two sides on a bike after all. Or only-fans. The Factor font was easy enough to hack, the specialized one should be similar if not easier.
Airwolf do SL8 replica as well as the dogma F and the gen 7&8 Madone just up on there website and I'm suprised it has not been shut down!
I have emailed them about the madone and the are also an OEM for smaller less well known brands, so how they get away with it is beyond me,
https://airwolfcarbonbike.com/product/2024-new-painting-light-weight-brand-sw-carbon-road-bicycle-frame-t1100-carbon-disc-brake-sl-bike-frame-bsa-bottom-bracket-with-handlebar/
I have an SL8 but this is so tempting but Im to sensible and well the though of descending on one does not appeal to me!
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Airwolf do SL8 replica as well as the dogma F and the gen 7&8 Madone just up on there website and I'm suprised it has not been shut down!
I have emailed them about the madone and the are also an OEM for smaller less well known brands, so how they get away with it is beyond me,
https://airwolfcarbonbike.com/product/2024-new-painting-light-weight-brand-sw-carbon-road-bicycle-frame-t1100-carbon-disc-brake-sl-bike-frame-bsa-bottom-bracket-with-handlebar/
I have an SL8 but this is so tempting but Im to sensible and well the though of descending on one does not appeal to me!
Beware airwolf. I have been waiting almost 4 months for a gravel frame from them. I only just got pictures a couple weeks ago and they have gone radio silence since.
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Well like I've said earlier in this thread. I've tested this frame to bought at yohobike with his various ali stores.
Sprinted out the bottom bracket, position on headset bearing tore out. They claim they have warranty, well they are ignoring me.
Avoid at all costs, stick to chinese brands instead of counterfeit.
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So this thread started with a very satisfied customer and ended with an horror story.
Where is the truth with these frames, are there different sellers who sells different products or are all the sl8 replicas total garbage frames?
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So this thread started with a very satisfied customer and ended with an horror story.
Where is the truth with these frames, are there different sellers who sells different products or are all the sl8 replicas total garbage frames?
As far as i can tell, all bad. https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,5263.0.html
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So this thread started with a very satisfied customer and ended with an horror story.
Where is the truth with these frames, are there different sellers who sells different products or are all the sl8 replicas total garbage frames?
So far so good. My 86kg fat arse has been beating the sh*t out of it every ride for Chinertown science ;D
It's unfortunate what happened to Avalius and could just be a matter of luck since there's no way to validate if these are all coming from the same factory but mine was NOT from YOHO.
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So far so good. My 86kg fat arse has been beating the sh*t out of it every ride for Chinertown science ;D
It's unfortunate what happened to Avalius and could just be a matter of luck since there's no way to validate if these are all coming from the same factory but mine was NOT from YOHO.
Have you ridden a true SL8 in order to compare to your frame ?
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Have you ridden a true SL8 in order to compare to your frame ?
Just found out a buddy of mine coincidentally just got a 52CM S-works so when time permits i shall perform a test ride on his and i'll have him jump on mine for an honest review. Should be interesting since the major characteristics he raves about like light, stiff but twitchy and super comfy seems to be the same for me.
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So basically this frame is good enough for the coffee ride to show off, but not for actual race use? ;D
I've ridden my replica ostro vam for thousands of miles, placed decenlty races in crits on it in California. I put 1300 watts in on a sprint and it holds up well. I have a friend who weighs a fuck ton and he put in 1600watts and said it felt stiffer to his real sl6
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Any news ?
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Received a SL8 replica from Taiwan Eisen.
800 kms with this bike. Best bike I had so far.
Easy everywhere. Nothing more to say. I will try a full season on it this year.
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Same here, I have found the corredt tyre pressure and it simply sails!
What about the fork stiffness?
Do you feel it a bit “soft” when you brake powerfully or are you ok with it ?
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Just found out a buddy of mine coincidentally just got a 52CM S-works so when time permits i shall perform a test ride on his and i'll have him jump on mine for an honest review. Should be interesting since the major characteristics he raves about like light, stiff but twitchy and super comfy seems to be the same for me.
Any word on any of this testing?
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Well like I've said earlier in this thread. I've tested this frame to bought at yohobike with his various ali stores.
Sprinted out the bottom bracket, position on headset bearing tore out. They claim they have warranty, well they are ignoring me.
Avoid at all costs, stick to chinese brands instead of counterfeit.
Jasus!!
You ok? I'm assuming you did not come off the bike?
Typical BS 2 year warranty with no real way of enforcing it!
I was on the fence with this frame now its is a defo no go for me, might be ok for the weekend warrior going on the group rode to the café but not for anything more serious!
Back to the drawing board with OEM but still tempted by the new Quick Pro AR: One.
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Any updates on these frame?
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Haha, changed your mind pretty quickly then?
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Haha, changed your mind pretty quickly then?
Yeah, I know Raisinberry! Honestly, I’m torn about whether to pull the trigger or not.
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There are good ones out there..
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There are good ones out there..
Ok prey tell dear friend?