Dunno if that's just due to it being a proto, but 2.4kg is exceptionally heavy for a 15" frame of this type.

I'm somewhat loathe to engage this on this thread and not the discussion thread but here I go anyway.

You're right, it is heavy but keep in mind that the 15" is actually the medium and not the small. Personally I'm OK if this frame comes a bit on the heavier side if that means they use a few more layers of carbon fiber to make up for voids or other manufacturing defects.


Speaking of which, I don't know why you guys are insisting that you don't want PF86/92. It's simply the best standard for making up for shaky QC margins. I'm not going to accuse Haideli of being bad or anything, but it's certainly the safest option for a DTC Chinese frame!

Why not get something titanium done up by Waltyl?

I have never, ever heard of a Chinese frame shipped without a UV protecting clear coat at the minimum.

My only suggestion would be to make a spot for people to discuss Chinese steel/ti/alloy bikes. I'm not sure how busy this area would be but at least there might be some resources gathered there over time for those looking for more information.

I'm also not sure organizing around wheel size is the best thing. Maybe full sus, hardtail, fatbike, and road/cross/gravel? All mountain versus trail and XC? right now 29er is the most busy, and I don't see that changing in the foreseeable future until maybe 31" wheels come out or something. So I guess before any re-design is done, I'd maybe ask what is the goal here? Make it easier for people to find info? Better categorize active discussions? If its the latter, maintaining wheel size divisions probably isn't the way to move forward.

It's also a relatively small forum so I don't know if its the biggest deal either. Your call!

I can't speak to haideli specifically, but most of these guys can spray pretty much any colour. They have paint guns, a large paint collection and scales to make it happen. MAYBE some might not have the capacity to do some of the more exotic stuff like chameleon or marble effects, but for 95% of paint jobs I'm willing to put money down that if you're willing to pay, they can do it. They paint bikes for a ton of real brands, after all. They're subcontractors of subcontractors half the time. The 14 there are the stock ones that are either cheap or included. Ask Eddie when it comes time to order if you want something custom or different, and he'll give you a price.

I can't answer much as far as weight goes. Probably around the same as most non-premium/specifically light paint options. My first chiner was painted just fine. Colour + clear coat like anyone else.

I THINK the basic colours are included in the price for this, but don't quote me on that. In the past I paid another 80 bucks for a simple custom paint job (several years ago).

Your other options are to have them clear coat it, which will be lighter than paint. I don't know if they will ship without clearcoat or with primer only. You need SOMETHING on there or the carbon will yellow and get shitty over time.

Other than that you can pay someone for a custom paint job (usually high hundreds to thousands of dollars) or DIY.

No, that wasn't directed at you at all, moreso the other folks who have been posting and asking for more photos or doubting the product. It's reasonable to be cautious, but I think the concern is a bit unfounded.

I feel a bit silly for spamming this thread when we have the other one now too.

No need to cap it, I'm guessing the drop out rate will be quite high.