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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2017, 08:12:08 AM »
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My mistake... SpeedSafe not CarbonSpeed. For the price i took the chance. Will see if they last.
 

Ive had no problems with my SpeedSafe carbon asymmetric 29er wheels 28 spoke rear 24 front and :D power way straight pull hubs  :D Did you deal with Tommy, I had the invoice made out as warranty replacement so didn't pay any import duty in UK  ;D

Thanks numberzero, I had a look at the LCM903. Also long rear and short front. 062 still my best choice. 

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2017, 08:16:20 AM »
I am busy reading the 062 build tread.. at page 20 now.
seems BSA with GXP are the most popular option. No issues, no creaks, more used spares available. I was set on a PF30 because i can always go to a 24mm spindle with reducers and BB's, but the more i read the more i think BSA.

I am no mechanic or bike tec, but i am mechanically minded and do all our bike maint (4 MTb, 1 Road bike... kids and mine)

I am certain i can use a SRAM GXP XO1 / XX1 with a reducing BB with a PF30. I just think BSA have less issues.. fool and bullet proof, but it's a100g heavier frame. BB92 works well because it's wider, but the chinese frames are not a BB92 frame.. they just widen the BB cups.. Scott did it on the Scale and had issues. If your chain comes off it damages the carbon sticking out from the frame.

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2017, 09:19:46 PM »
BB92 works well because it's wider, but the chinese frames are not a BB92 frame.. they just widen the BB cups..
That's a rather strange statement. BB92 implies a shell width of 92mm and 41mm threadless bore (see Parktool). If that was the case, we'd surely see a lot of negative compatibility reports. Maybe you meant something else? My experience with a BB92 frame does not align with what you've said at all. I'm concerned because such claims might spread false rumors about reliability of open mold frames.

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2017, 01:22:57 PM »
What i see on the BB92 Open mold Chiner frames are a narrow frame section what are73mm width for BB30, PF30 and BSA. To give you a BB92 (92mm) they either glue 2 inserts into the PF30 BB shell or mold a 92mm alloy sleeve into the 73mm carbon frame and you have 2 sections either side of your frame sticking out.
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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2017, 01:31:50 PM »
What i see on the BB92 Open mold Chiner frames are a narrow frame section what are73mm width for BB30, PF30 and BSA. To give you a BB92 (92mm) they either glue 2 inserts into the PF30 BB shell or mold a 92mm alloy sleeve into the 73mm carbon frame and you have 2 sections either side of your frame sticking out.

The 041 frame is BB92, with a carbon interface.

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2017, 01:49:11 PM »
I was quite set on the 062, but reading towards the end of the 062 build tread i am much much more sceptical about the quality.

Wendy from Workswell are quite helpful.. but also totally not helpful. Very quick to reply. First she send me a link to y-s paint website to choose a colour... the images are really bad quality unless you look at flat and neon's. then she sends me the worst pictures of the actual colour chart (skew, codes cut off and her own shadow halfway over the page) thus the colours are a mess and photo's useless.  Like having a cigar without a lighter...

As most of the other designs have a 440mm RC... (i can spot the difference in tyre clearance to seat tube) ...does that really make such a big difference in handling, after all my Epic WC have a 439RC.

I do think that the Tideace M009 design are more structurally sound (The round curve of the seat stays where they connect to the seat tube vs the angular design of the 062) .... i think the CS-MB01 have a brace there like my FS Epic WC and that's one of the reasons Peter's bikes are so good.
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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2017, 01:52:23 PM »

The 041 frame is BB92, with a carbon interface.
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Peter said the 041 are out of production, not sure when they will do a run again.

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2017, 04:17:39 PM »
Too bad for the 041  :(

The M009 is a great looking frame.
However it hasn’t much clearance for bigger 1x rings, 34T seems to be the maximum.

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2017, 10:13:01 PM »
How old are your 062 now? Any issues?

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2017, 01:44:36 AM »
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I do think that the Tideace M009 design are more structurally sound (The round curve of the seat stays where they connect to the seat tube vs the angular design of the 062) .... i think the CS-MB01 have a brace there like my FS Epic WC and that's one of the reasons Peter's bikes are so good.

Tideace was also one of my favorites, but at a closest look it revealed some drawbacks IMHO.

1) It is heavier than claimed. Several recensions on ALiX report a weight between 1089 gr and 1231 gr instead of 950.
2) The seatstay tube is a bit short
3) 27,2 diameter limits the options for a telescopic seatpost

Anyway if you like it, take into consideration the Leadnovo 958-II (version II). It is exactly the same frame but with additional guides for external routing cables and BSA bottom bracket. Two things that semplify the assembling.

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2017, 02:18:30 AM »
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I do think that the Tideace M009 design are more structurally sound (The round curve of the seat stays where they connect to the seat tube vs the angular design of the 062) .... i think the CS-MB01 have a brace there like my FS Epic WC and that's one of the reasons Peter's bikes are so good.

Tideace was also one of my favorites, but at a closest look it revealed some drawbacks IMHO.

1) It is heavier than claimed. Several recensions on ALiX report a weight between 1089 gr and 1231 gr instead of 950.
2) The seatstay tube is a bit short
3) 27,2 diameter limits the options for a telescopic seatpost

Anyway if you like it, take into consideration the Leadnovo 958-II (version II). It is exactly the same frame but with additional guides for external routing cables and BSA bottom bracket. Two things that semplify the assembling.

Yes: the weights will differ according to BB and frame size chosen
Seatstay length is what it is   
I prefer the 27.2 post
Yes external routing are much faster to install but i am willing to do the fidling for internal.
 
Some pics received from Chris at Sobato of dif BB’s.


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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2017, 02:20:23 AM »
Some more pics from Sobato 062

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2017, 02:27:21 AM »
Just a quick thank you to every comment, i do appreciate it. I am constantly learning.. which might make my decision more difficult. Lol.

I do like Peter’s frames, i think it’s really good designs, but they are more xpensive, +paypal commision, + USD55 for paint, + shipping. Wish he was on Alix.

Sobato and Workswell are nearly half the price via Alix (all considered).

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2017, 03:51:46 AM »
Thanks Rick64, glad to hear your good news, yes i spoke to Tommy. Very helpfull... they have not shipped in 10 days now... but i a getting black decals for free, so i will patiently await shipping. Bought via Alix with p/protection and no paypal fees!

Order some extra spokes for front and rear wheel, I only had one spare arrive with the wheels so had to order more separately.

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Re: 29er HT Choices: CS-218, CS-887-SL, MB01 or LCM904
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2017, 05:09:07 AM »
Lighter = more expensive = flimsier = Much better chance of failure
Yes, yes, yes, no.
I'm riding my CS-256-SL now for almost three year. It's still as new, no failures after crashes.
If I had to replace my beloved IP/CS-256-SL, I would go for the CS-218, because I don't like the twig at the rear of the 256. My 256 weights 1040gr (19"). And I like the service and after-sales of Peter. No problem to spend a little extra bucks for this.