Chinese cycling clothes

[crazyravr]

I tried these winter bibs.
They have Elastic Interface tags but no logo on the chamois and the chamois feels too stiff.
They are very short. Not very stretchy and almost too tight in my calves. And the crotch area is way too baggy and cannot be worn reasonably.
Had to return them.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKP8OFP

When posting clothes and fit, at least include your height and weight and the size you bought. Otherwise, whats the point?

[shoushou]

I see your point and I often do.
In this case, it’s a problem with the cut. Skinny legs and fat bottom. That wouldn’t be impacted by sizing.

I got the XL after recommendation by seller for a height of 193cm and a weight of 82kg.

[Dan S.]

As I mentioned few pages earlier, I can fully recommend these Spexcel Winter bibs. They seem to follow the European sizing. I went with L and they fit great (180 cm, 84 kg). I have both gray and black, great quality for the price.

[alfiomotrambo]

If you need to produce something, I highly recommend https://www.tarstone.com/, Lena helped me produce jerseys for a local team, they were amazing, super fast, helpful, and had excellent prices, I used one of their suits for 100+km and the pad had no problems.

[crazyravr]

As I mentioned few pages earlier, I can fully recommend these Spexcel Winter bibs. They seem to follow the European sizing. I went with L and they fit great (180 cm, 84 kg). I have both gray and black, great quality for the price.

I was looking at these myself but my idea of winter could be your spring or fall. Could show whats on the inside (fleece lined?) and the pad? Wish they would include these in the photo descriptions.

[Tijoe]

I am looking for an ultralight waterproof cycling jacket, on Aliexpress, that can keep you dry while riding in rain, and will help keep you warmish in cool evenings found at higher elevations into the 30s F, (2C to 5C) worn on top of other layers.    Thinking in line with an "OR Helium II" rain jacket or "Arcteryx Atom SL"  jacket.    Something in the 6oz to 8oz (170 to 250 grams) range would we great    I am trying to lighten up the clothing I use on my multi-day bikepacking trips.  I also am budget minded and don't want to pay what the name brands sell then for.

[radrick_91]

If you need to produce something, I highly recommend https://www.tarstone.com/, Lena helped me produce jerseys for a local team, they were amazing, super fast, helpful, and had excellent prices, I used one of their suits for 100+km and the pad had no problems.

I can also highly recommend Tarstone (I was in contact with Daisy) and have “developed” my own Gravel Aero Suit. If you're interested, feel free to take a look, and two suits are still available for purchase/testing.

https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,6437.msg90935.html#msg90935

[aeroskiii]

If you need to produce something, I highly recommend https://www.tarstone.com/, Lena helped me produce jerseys for a local team, they were amazing, super fast, helpful, and had excellent prices, I used one of their suits for 100+km and the pad had no problems.

curious how these fit, send pics

[Dan S.]

I was looking at these myself but my idea of winter could be your spring or fall. Could show whats on the inside (fleece lined?) and the pad? Wish they would include these in the photo descriptions.

Don’t have any photos at the moment, but they are fleece-lined, defo not a "deep winter" type. I wore them in -5 and they were okay. Tho they are defo not extra windproof, they are best for temps above 0 celsius I would say.

[Da11as]

I am looking for an ultralight waterproof cycling jacket, on Aliexpress, that can keep you dry while riding in rain, and will help keep you warmish in cool evenings found at higher elevations into the 30s F, (2C to 5C) worn on top of other layers.    Thinking in line with an "OR Helium II" rain jacket or "Arcteryx Atom SL"  jacket.    Something in the 6oz to 8oz (170 to 250 grams) range would we great    I am trying to lighten up the clothing I use on my multi-day bikepacking trips.  I also am budget minded and don't want to pay what the name brands sell then for.

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but chinese mass market brands are yet to produce anything close to high end technical gear of specialized western brands you mentioned here. You can easily get away with the regular summer lycra from Ali, but on technical/winter side big brands have an edge - see my big review on recent purchases several pages ago.

I bought MAAP's Prime jacket on sale two years (smth around 150 EUR) ago and it was one of the best pieces of clothing I ever got. It is light, completely water and wind resistant, warm, breathable and has very thoughtful design. I wouldn't buy there without a discount but on sales it is totally worth the money. They probably changed the name of the jacket now but you can look up onto similar model.

[ediryppah]

I don't want to sound like a broken record, but chinese mass market brands are yet to produce anything close to high end technical gear of specialized western brands you mentioned here. You can easily get away with the regular summer lycra from Ali, but on technical/winter side big brands have an edge - see my big review on recent purchases several pages ago.

I bought MAAP's Prime jacket on sale two years (smth around 150 EUR) ago and it was one of the best pieces of clothing I ever got. It is light, completely water and wind resistant, warm, breathable and has very thoughtful design. I wouldn't buy there without a discount but on sales it is totally worth the money. They probably changed the name of the jacket now but you can look up onto similar model.

Except for Gore, most cycling brands don’t make their own fabrics. There’s nothing really stopping a Chinese manufacturer from putting together solid technical kit. Some already do, YKYW uses Toray fabrics in jackets and gilets. I have one of their gilets an honestly there's nothing separating it from a much more expensive one in my opinion.

For YKYW to make a Gabba-competitor might be harder, because they need access to certain fabrics and membranes. Gore isn’t going to license to them. Polartec is more open but still expensive and probably takes some know-how to use properly. It’s less about where you’re making it and more about having the right fabrics, experience, and investment to make it work.

I'm sure we'll get there, and I'm sure there's a bunch of R&D and reverse engineering going on, so in a few years it might be completely different.

[Pedaldancer]

I'm sure we'll get there, and I'm sure there's a bunch of R&D and reverse engineering going on, so in a few years it might be completely different.

Do you think they need reverse engineering? I would guess it's only a matter of price that e.g. ykyw is not using more expensive membrane fabrics currently. 
A jacket after all is no rocket science, so learning how to get stable processes e.g. for taping the seams.
If you then want to mess up a rain jacket you need to have the brilliant idea to save money on the fabric... which Endura seems to do.. their rain jackets were the most expensive garbage i ever bought. I had a road bike and a mtb version... stupid me thought scots know how to handle rain... both were leaking after only very minor usage through the fabric , even on unloaded positions ( e.g. arms). Pretty bad experience...

[Da11as]

Do you think they need reverse engineering? I would guess it's only a matter of price that e.g. ykyw is not using more expensive membrane fabrics currently. 
A jacket after all is no rocket science, so learning how to get stable processes e.g. for taping the seams.
If you then want to mess up a rain jacket you need to have the brilliant idea to save money on the fabric... which Endura seems to do.. their rain jackets were the most expensive garbage i ever bought. I had a road bike and a mtb version... stupid me thought scots know how to handle rain... both were leaking after only very minor usage through the fabric , even on unloaded positions ( e.g. arms). Pretty bad experience...

They may choose the best fabric, membranes, furniture etc. and yet make such blatant mistakes in construction it is not possible to wrap your head around how it could be approved for production. Almost like they never rode a bike or tested the equipment on proper ride
This applies not only to Chinese brands but I see it more often there.

[Pedaldancer]

They may choose the best fabric, membranes, furniture etc. and yet make such blatant mistakes in construction it is not possible to wrap your head around how it could be approved for production. Almost like they never rode a bike or tested the equipment on proper ride
This applies not only to Chinese brands but I see it more often there.

Missing requirements engineering coupled together with missing experience is not typically Chinese...
I agree, the best choice of material ends as crap if the people don't know what is needed.
But as you said that also happens  in western brands.. reverse engineering then would just transfer that drama 
Better starting from scratch in that case 

[Evaso_CC]

YKYW and Lameda are getting closer in terms of fit and quality, but there are still so many items where the fit is appalling. I made the mistake of buying Cheji bibshorts - unwearable. Leg length like hot pants and fit totally off. Good fabrics, but terrible execution.