Author Topic: HongFu FM138  (Read 33743 times)

edo_mtb

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #90 on: December 31, 2024, 02:54:30 PM »
Pick L, I am 170cm and ride size M. And i dont need a smaller frame at all.

Hi Darkening, I’m asking you as I know we are quite the same size (170 cm), but anyone who knows of biomechanics can help me.
I’m buying some parts for the frame, and I’m not sure of some measures. What is the length of your crankset 170 or 175? And what about the handlebar? My options are 74 or 76 cm.
Let me know what you chose for your bike.
Thank you and happy new year!!!

thimo

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #91 on: December 31, 2024, 04:21:32 PM »
There"s a lot of personal preference and how you use the bike involved into what is your best size. As an example, based on my experience with my Canyon Stoic in size M, I would consider this frame in size M as well and I'm 1,80. Main thinking is that I'd prefer a more nimble bike with a shorter wheelbase. If the frame is too small, you can always raise the seat post or put on a longer stem.

760mm for handlebar is a nice starting point, you can easily cut off a few cm if needed. If you're not yet used to such a wide handlebar, it may get some time getting used to.

Measurements on my own legs, both inseam and lower leg bone, indicate to 170mm crank length, but I could do with 165 as well. The 170 on my Canyon don't cause me issues. There's a trend towards shorter cranks as it increases comfort and with that power output. Your mileage may vary.

darkening

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #92 on: January 01, 2025, 09:12:07 AM »
we are quite the same size (170 cm), but anyone who knows of biomechanics can help me.

I currently use 170mm cranks, but I’d like to switch to 165mm since I prefer that length on my gravel bike. Unfortunately, I can’t find Shimano XT8100 cranks in 165mm anywhere—they’re all out of stock. I specifically need them because my power meter is designed for Shimano’s direct-mount standard.

For my handlebars, I use a 760mm-wide setup paired with a 60mm stem. The handlebars have a significant backsweep, creating a roughly 20mm gap between an imaginary line connecting the bar ends and the stem bolt.

Hayek

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #93 on: January 01, 2025, 01:36:31 PM »
Hi. I'm reaching out to see what brakes you've installed on your FM138. I've been discussing this with Malissa from HongFu and there seems to be an ongoing issue with Shimano brake compatibility. Specifically, the M6120, M7120, and M8120 series are not recommended. Additionally, a customer reported difficulties installing a rear XT M8100 brake. Malissa suggested exploring SRAM brakes as an alternative. While this seems unusual, I won't be able to verify the compatibility issues with Shimano brakes until I receive the frame.

Interesting. I ran SRAM Level 4-piston on mine (size L), and ran into issues. The outside edge of the caliper contacts the frame and prevented me from the moving the brake outward enough to center the pads on the rotor. Malissa told me it was because the frame was designed for Shimano and Magura brakes only. There's just very little room for the rear brake. I didn't want to get another set of brakes so removed some material from the caliper so it wouldn't contact the frame. An annoying solution that voids the warranty on my brake for a problem that shouldn't exist.

Hayek

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #94 on: January 01, 2025, 02:24:35 PM »
I meant to post this build earlier, but better late than never, and I can add a full review as well.

I ordered the FM138 in size large and had it painted in Pantone "Red Pear" gloss clearcoat. First bike I've gotten from Hongfu (I've mostly bought LightCarbon and Carbonda), so wasn't sure what kind of quality to expect but the frame quality and paint were as good as anything I've gotten from anywhere else. Everything went together easily, including the headset cable routing (I used a Deda headset) with the exception of the rear brake caliper, like I mentioned above. I did a mix of SRAM Transmission parts and LightCarbon wheels with Conti Cross King tires. I opted for 120mm front and rear with RockShox SID and SIDluxe. At 181 cm tall, I started with a 60mm stem on the size large but ended up swapping to a 70mm and prefer the feel of that more. Came out to 10.85 kg including pedals.

The Good: I've put 1500 km so far, and it's been a great bike. My last XC bike build was the FM936. This bike climbs and covers ground noticeably easier, especially in tight and techy terrain, but feels sharper on the descents, requiring a touch more finesse. In general, it feels like a sharper bike than the 936. It's every bit as capable, but takes a little bit more attention on the descents and requires less attention on the climbs, especially tech climbs. I chose not to do a remote lockout and have not regretted it. The seated climbing manners on the bike are excellent, with the anti-squat being high enough to keep the bike very stable under pedaling, and yet it has had no issue getting into its 120mm of rear travel. All told, it's a very good XC bike, and the frame details are quite good. I've enjoyed being able to carry to two full-size bottles in the frame. I used a little plastic spacer under the top bolt of the seat tube bottle cage and that small angle adjustment has kept the bottle from contacting the frame at any point. The bike is also very quiet. No creaking as long as I keep everything clean.

The Bad: I had ordered SRAM Level 4-piston and the frame didn't leave enough room for the caliper to center on the rotor. I tried 160mm and 180mm rotors and I'd still get a small amount of pad contact on the rotor no matter what. Malissa said it was a SRAM problem as the frame was designed for Shimano brakes (sounds like whatever the brake you choose to run, they're going to say it was designed for something else), but I opted to remove some material from the caliper and that solved the issue. 1,500km later and it has been a non-issue. The seat tube could be shorter to allow for longer droppers, but I was able to fit a 150mm post with room to spare. And it's an XC bike after all. If you want to run 200mm on an XC bike you might be looking at the wrong bike.

The brake is the one issue I've had. I don't want to say it's a minor issue, because it can't be fixed and experimenting with brake calipers is extremely expensive, and machining away material from the caliper clearly voids the warranty. I've been transparent about that with friends, but those who have spent some time on mine have decided that it's a minor enough con that certainly doesn't outweigh all the pros. I've had several friends order the same frame, and even have another one on order at the moment that I'm building up for another friend. Malissa was actually very good to work with and I have no complaints outside of the brake mount.

Figo

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #95 on: January 02, 2025, 04:52:13 AM »
Hi there. Thank you for the excellent review. You've captured the brake situation perfectly. I had the same feeling that no matter which one I chose, it wouldn't be quite right. The upside is that Malissa asked me to hold off on purchasing brakes until I received the frame. Could you also share which handlebar you chose for your bike?

Larxxor

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #96 on: January 02, 2025, 09:32:33 AM »
Ridley raft uses this rear brake : SRAM Level TL DB , Flat Mount

Same frame apparently

akuutti247

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2025, 09:44:32 AM »
TSW Full Quest models (and their rear brakes):

https://tswbike.com/montanha/full-quest/

darkening

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2025, 11:20:23 PM »
However, they all use two-piston calipers, while Hayek has experienced issues with four-piston calipers.

edo_mtb

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #99 on: January 05, 2025, 05:43:40 AM »
Thank you for the info regarding the bio-mechanics!

I have another question: I’m using the headset provided by Hongfu, it looks good quality material, but I saw that it doesn’t have any rubber sealing caps for the cover holes, where the cables come out, so when you wash the bike there’s a chance that water can go inside the down tube towards the bottom bracket, could be that an issue? How did you manage this?
I don’t know if I made myself clear  ::)

And Darkening, what power meter do you use? Is it mounted directly on the crown?
Thank you as always!!

darkening

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #100 on: January 05, 2025, 08:28:50 PM »
I use SIGEYI powermeter:
https://www.sigeyishop.com/product/axo-power-meter-for-shimano-mtb-m8100-m7100-chainring/

Bottom bracket area is not an issue, but bearings in your headset are. So grease them carefully. I stilll use a headsed provided by HongFu.

Hayek

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #101 on: January 05, 2025, 11:38:40 PM »
@Figo, I have a Protaper Hyperlite flat bar.

edo_mtb

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #102 on: January 09, 2025, 01:30:02 PM »
Does anyone use a chainguide on this frame?
Is it useful or not on an xc bike? Any suggestions? Thanks!

Figo

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #103 on: January 13, 2025, 05:49:01 AM »
Hey, @Hayek what LightCarbon wheels did you get? I'm thinking about their trail model, but 26mm internal width is a bit narrow for my liking. Anyone running HongFu FM138? What wheels do you have on yours?

dan_cx

Re: HongFu FM138
« Reply #104 on: January 13, 2025, 12:08:22 PM »
I've gone through this entire thread twice, and have searched through HF's site at least a half dozen times already, but I can not find any info on the fork offset measurement. Does anyone know what it is?
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