Replica Factor Ostro VAM

[jerozilla]

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[acino]

Mine from F-C arrived everything looks pretty premium will post photos later only concern is the BB I tried to hand screw one side in on a BBinfinite t47A and it probably went half way before meeting resistance (no grease yet).

Weights:
Size 54 white same as OralMaster
Frame with no rear axle - 983g
Uncut fork - 461g
Handlebars 90x400 - 292g

All bottle screws, axles, and top cap have Factor branding. If the BB installs fine I will be very pleased.

No Factor packaging like Oralmaster though.

Fantastic, can't wait to see the build.

[Harp]

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Hey, first post here. I'm waiting for a SL8 from Taiwan Eisen. I have a real Factor ostro V1. I had an issue with the carbon arround the botom braket so i will receive a new one from factor soon. But interested about a fake one from China. Quality from Taiwan Eisen and FC are quiet similar ?

Thanks for the pics 

[rwtbne]

Hope so, just orderd a V2 from Taiwan Eisen.

[bdyck]

I've asked about the 2.0 version of this frame from both Nicole Bike Shop and First-Class Carbon - does anyone have any advice on how to choose? From Nicole Bike Shop - the communication has been good and quick, and I've been told that the bike is T1000 and reinforced with T1100 in the load bearing areas. I haven't seen any reviews from this store, but they have sent me some images (finishes and weights). From First Class - there seems to be at least a few examples of high quality frames in this thread, but I have been told from them that all frames are T800 (regardless of tier chosen, only the weight changes), and that anyone else claiming to use T1000 or T1100 isn't telling the truth and that it shouldn't matter because you can't tell anyways as long as the quality is good. The communication has been okay too, but less thorough. Thanks in advance!

[jerozilla]

I've asked about the 2.0 version of this frame from both Nicole Bike Shop and First-Class Carbon - does anyone have any advice on how to choose? From Nicole Bike Shop - the communication has been good and quick, and I've been told that the bike is T1000 and reinforced with T1100 in the load bearing areas. I haven't seen any reviews from this store, but they have sent me some images (finishes and weights). From First Class - there seems to be at least a few examples of high quality frames in this thread, but I have been told from them that all frames are T800 (regardless of tier chosen, only the weight changes), and that anyone else claiming to use T1000 or T1100 isn't telling the truth and that it shouldn't matter because you can't tell anyways as long as the quality is good. The communication has been okay too, but less thorough. Thanks in advance!

Doesn't really make sense to me isn't T1100 lighter but weaker? I find it dubious if any of them claim it's all made with T1000/T1100. Never heard of Nicole Bike Shop either. F-C is a 60 day wait time for the 2.0 afaik.

[patto3]

Hope so, just orderd a V2 from Taiwan Eisen.

Awesome dude! I'm really curious about the V2s, it seems they nailed the V1's but it is quite an old frame now (2020).
Would love you if ou did a bit of a review/write up once it's built and you've ridden it 

[jerozilla]

My understanding (i am not a manufacturer) is that the core / bulk / most of the frame is always going to be T700 & T800, and that key areas get fancier fiber. So, afaik, there's no such thing as a 100% T1000 frame, it would be disgusting to ride, and way too fragile (and cost too much).
I'd say, given you're buying a counterfeit anyway, make sure (1) you get the paint job that excites you, (2) you get a look at the inside of the frames to see they compact fibers properly (should be clean and neat inside), (3) you get something that weighs the right ballpark. Whether A uses T1000 and B uses T1000 & T1100, honestly, you can't check, and you wont feel. And you're dealing with illegal merchandise, so trust with these people... When asking these sellers questions, i often got "i cant tell you that because i could go to prison" as an answer a lot of times.

This is my take away, even paying for the hi-mod expensive version no frame is made from T1000-T1100 except specific areas to bring weight down. Anyone who sells you that notion is a seller to stay away from. Majority of frames need/are built from T800'ish so it doesn't snap in half on you.

[OralMaster]

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damn it looks like they improvised it! mine came with steel screws prone to rusting so i had to spent an additional 190 dollars just to get the authentic black inc cages to “complete the look”

we have the same paint job and same frame size, and yours is significantly lighter!

hope you’re happy with your purchase!

[Serge_K]

damn it looks like they improvised it! mine came with steel screws prone to rusting so i had to spent an additional 190 dollars just to get the authentic black inc cages to “complete the look”

we have the same paint job and same frame size, and yours is significantly lighter!

hope you’re happy with your purchase!

Wait. You spent 190 USD to buy 2 bottle cages & bolts?

[jfcb]

My understanding (i am not a manufacturer) is that the core / bulk / most of the frame is always going to be T700 & T800, and that key areas get fancier fiber. So, afaik, there's no such thing as a 100% T1000 frame, it would be disgusting to ride, and way too fragile (and cost too much).

In essence you are right, but's actually a bit more complicated.  Especially when comparing T700/800/1000.
T1000 is stiffer and stronger than T800 which has higher stiffness and strength than T700. On the other hand, T800 is more brittle (less elastic) than both T700/T1000.  In principle you could make a full T1000 carbon fiber reinforced frame, but it would cost way too much for the suppliers. So indeed, it's only used at certain key areas where weight savings can be major by changing the material and yet keeping the same stiffness.
What nowadays actually is the key factor is the (impact) strength of the frames. It would be easy to make a super stiff frame sub 600gr, but it wouldn't be strong enough. There is some need to have some 'mass' to cover the strengths.

Besides this, there is the marketing aspect. Especially with those replica frames, I wouldn't trust them on the specific type of fibers used in the frame.

[rhenders]

Mine from F-C arrived everything looks pretty premium will post photos later only concern is the BB I tried to hand screw one side in on a BBinfinite t47A and it probably went half way before meeting resistance (no grease yet).

Weights:
Size 54 white same as OralMaster
Frame with no rear axle - 983g
Uncut fork - 461g
Handlebars 90x400 - 292g

All bottle screws, axles, and top cap have Factor branding. If the BB installs fine I will be very pleased.

No Factor packaging like Oralmaster though.

Any updates on the bottom bracket issue?

[jerozilla]

Any updates on the bottom bracket issue?

It's being picked up in two days by my mechanic to swap everything over from my old bike so I will post if there is a serious issue with the BB if he notifies me. It should be like butter with a BBInfinite bottom bracket but didn't feel inspiring when I was turning it by hand, granted I did not slap any grease on it I was just testing it lightly.

[rhenders]

That was my thought. If there are any issues, it's definitely not with the BBinfinite

[jerozilla]

Kind of crappy photos but shots of the top tube and seatstay plus the inside where the di2 port for the FD is drilled/2 bottle cages.

Sorry it's a cheapo endoscope.