Author Topic: Tavelo Aero Frame  (Read 37373 times)

repoman

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2024, 01:37:18 PM »
Does anyone know what major brand Tavelo is 'tied' to? 
On the Chris Miller show, they said that Tavelo is the house brand of a well known factory that produces a well known brand/brands.   

Too bad about they paint jobs they offer on the Arow...pretty hideous. Terrible color combinations and some weird squiggly doodles on the front?? :o
« Last Edit: June 12, 2024, 01:38:59 PM by repoman »

toxin

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #76 on: June 12, 2024, 03:58:04 PM »
Tavelo is its own brand, they just buy and brand frames from adapt. Adapt develop the frames and offer them to brands. The Attack was sold under a couple other brands but the Arow might only be sold under Tavelo as they move so many units they might get exclusivity on the frame. They were founded by a bunch of former Winspace employees, but they themselves do zero development, it's all adapt.

Sakizashi

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2024, 10:44:31 AM »
I personally really like the designs that Adapt churns out. Since Adapt doesnt do direct sales (though I thought someone here from Canada did a direct order in the past), Tavelo is actually the cheapest way to get your hands on an Adapt frame except for maybe the Speeder SC-R55D. I dont know pricing info for that but it looks a lot like the Adapt frame they teased on Facebook along side the Arow as new for 2024.

There was a rumor that Speeder was also the OEM behind Winspace frames--but i had thought that Speeder was more of development studio with fractional factory ownership. In any case, the Speeder forks have a very solid reputation now are are known for producing forks that relabeled for use by many brands either for sale through framebuilder supply or as the OEM fork option. There are $6000+ custom framesets using Speeder forks.

However, it wouldn't make sense that Speeder would be selling a frame designed by Adapt that competes with Tavelo if they were the "well known factory" and Tavelo was their in-house brand.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2024, 10:50:05 AM by Sakizashi »

patliean1

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2024, 03:51:34 PM »
While some of the information in this thread is incorrect, I can say irrespective of where Winspace/Tavelo source their frames that the T1550 is great. The Tavelo Attack is also great, if not better than the T1500 in terms of road refinement.

I'm not sure if I'll get my hands on the latest Tavelo Arow since the price is a bit steep for a Chinese bike. However, I expect that frame to outclass the Attack by a small margin.

Sidenote: Winspace's gravel frame is also sold under ICAN's brand as well. And probably for slightly cheaper.

repoman

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #79 on: June 14, 2024, 09:32:08 AM »
Is the Speeder SC-R55D the same as that Hygge Aero frame posted in another thread?

Sakizashi

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #80 on: June 14, 2024, 01:26:36 PM »
I don't think the Speeder is the same at the Hygge.

Back in the day there were only 2-3 carbon factories selling open molds. Flybike is one that still exists and seem to sell primarily through Carbonda. There was a factory called Gotobike which owns or owned the trademark for the Winspace name. Make what you will of that--but trying untangle who makes what frame and who designed what is, in my opinion not that useful. The relevant thing is whether or not you trust the brand to work with you and whether or not you think the combination of product quality and support will meet your needs.

What i do know is that I've been really happy with Speeder sourced parts and they sell a lot of parts, particularly forks. If I were to look for a partner to coordinate manufacturing and finalize design for a carbon bike part, Speeder would be part of the first outreach. However, they are primarily going to be more of a B2B type transaction while Tavelo appears to be investing quite a bit into the people and infrastructure to support consumers.

I have no idea if Speeder make their own bikes, their business arrangement with the factory or even if the frames and other parts come from the same factory. I THINK their new bike looks like an Adapt design and other than a bit more tire clearance and the bb86 spec looks pretty nice.

James dean

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #81 on: July 31, 2024, 10:38:02 AM »
Tavelo is its own brand, they just buy and brand frames from adapt. Adapt develop the frames and offer them to brands. The Attack was sold under a couple other brands but the Arow might only be sold under Tavelo as they move so many units they might get exclusivity on the frame. They were founded by a bunch of former Winspace employees, but they themselves do zero development, it's all adapt.

You are wrong about this information. They do not buy any frames from adapt.

toxin

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #82 on: July 31, 2024, 12:38:41 PM »
Do explain. Because Joe directly told me adapt develop the frames and offer them to brands and every Tavelo frame was up on the adapt website first.


James dean

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #84 on: July 31, 2024, 01:09:08 PM »
Do explain. Because Joe directly told me adapt develop the frames and offer them to brands and every Tavelo frame was up on the adapt website first.


I can tell you first hand this is not an adapt frame. That’s all I can say.

jrasero

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #85 on: July 31, 2024, 03:32:21 PM »
I think I am with Patrick, (BTW a big fan and subscriber) on how with the increase of prices for most major direct to consumer Chinese brands, big Western brands seem to make more sense for more people.  However I think there is this middle ground with companies like Winspace who have really started to build a brand, who yes have raised their prices but always have a discount code or pretty aggressive sales or package deals where a frame really will not be $1700-$2000 dollars.  I recently got a 1st gen T1550 Disc w/ Zero SL bars with UPS shipping for $1602.  I commonly hear how people got their T1550 frames during Black Friday for $1300.  I bought my original T1500 frame and bars for $1500, so to pay $102 more this time around for a slightly better product in the T1550 isn't terrible one bit.  I sold my T1500 with bars in 2022 after a season of use to someone for basically $600, thus 60% is steep, granted I recently sold my Aethos fact 10R frameset that I bought new for $3000 and got back $1250 thus basically hitting that same 60% deprecation after one year mark.  Where I think Winspace has a better chance is that they do have some US warehousing, there customer service is pretty good, and the more key this is that they have US dealers.  In my state of NY thye have 6 dealers and I know one is ACME Bikes in Katonah which is known to be a high end shop that sells everything from Moots, Time, ENVE, Parlee, Colnago, Look and I guess now Winspace.  I think the pivotal thing Winspace did was sell a crap load of wheels during the pandemic, not to mention their wheels at the time were not only a terrific value but performed insanely well.  I can't go to any semi big group ride and not see at least a couple riders with Winspace wheels here in NY.  In 2022 no one new about the T1500, but now in 2024 after I picked up my newly built T1550 I had 6 people come up to me and ask me about the bike and telling me how much they liked it and how they saw the same exact bike on Grant's GCPerformances chanel or so on.  I simply don't hear or see people talking about Seka or other high-end Chinese D2C bikes that cost $2k+ for a frame.  I am not saying they don't have a place and can't take off here in America I just think again on any big group ride or shall I say big "money" group ride sponsored by either a company or a LBS, her in NY you mostly see waves of SWORK Tarmac SL 8.  So I doubt you would see a Seka at one of those but at a recent PAS Normal Studio ride I did see one Devel and two Elves bikes.  I was very tempted to bring my T1550 but decided to go with my MY22 Scott Foil RC because I am still playing with my fit.  I think while Colnago is an amazing brand it's a heritage brand and what Tadej did for that brand riding that V4RS even though it's not the "best" bike is insane.  My buddy has a V3RS and countless people came up to him saying how much they liked his bikes and these are riders on SWORKS, Pinarellos, Factors and ect.  Point being, I think if any of these Chinese D2C brands want to really hit the US market they need to get elite athletes on them or really hit the local sponsored group ride scene where influencers are riding them

James dean

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #86 on: July 31, 2024, 04:04:28 PM »
I think I am with Patrick, (BTW a big fan and subscriber) on how with the increase of prices for most major direct to consumer Chinese brands, big Western brands seem to make more sense for more people.  However I think there is this middle ground with companies like Winspace who have really started to build a brand, who yes have raised their prices but always have a discount code or pretty aggressive sales or package deals where a frame really will not be $1700-$2000 dollars.  I recently got a 1st gen T1550 Disc w/ Zero SL bars with UPS shipping for $1602.  I commonly hear how people got their T1550 frames during Black Friday for $1300.  I bought my original T1500 frame and bars for $1500, so to pay $102 more this time around for a slightly better product in the T1550 isn't terrible one bit.  I sold my T1500 with bars in 2022 after a season of use to someone for basically $600, thus 60% is steep, granted I recently sold my Aethos fact 10R frameset that I bought new for $3000 and got back $1250 thus basically hitting that same 60% deprecation after one year mark.  Where I think Winspace has a better chance is that they do have some US warehousing, there customer service is pretty good, and the more key this is that they have US dealers.  In my state of NY thye have 6 dealers and I know one is ACME Bikes in Katonah which is known to be a high end shop that sells everything from Moots, Time, ENVE, Parlee, Colnago, Look and I guess now Winspace.  I think the pivotal thing Winspace did was sell a crap load of wheels during the pandemic, not to mention their wheels at the time were not only a terrific value but performed insanely well.  I can't go to any semi big group ride and not see at least a couple riders with Winspace wheels here in NY.  In 2022 no one new about the T1500, but now in 2024 after I picked up my newly built T1550 I had 6 people come up to me and ask me about the bike and telling me how much they liked it and how they saw the same exact bike on Grant's GCPerformances chanel or so on.  I simply don't hear or see people talking about Seka or other high-end Chinese D2C bikes that cost $2k+ for a frame.  I am not saying they don't have a place and can't take off here in America I just think again on any big group ride or shall I say big "money" group ride sponsored by either a company or a LBS, her in NY you mostly see waves of SWORK Tarmac SL 8.  So I doubt you would see a Seka at one of those but at a recent PAS Normal Studio ride I did see one Devel and two Elves bikes.  I was very tempted to bring my T1550 but decided to go with my MY22 Scott Foil RC because I am still playing with my fit.  I think while Colnago is an amazing brand it's a heritage brand and what Tadej did for that brand riding that V4RS even though it's not the "best" bike is insane.  My buddy has a V3RS and countless people came up to him saying how much they liked his bikes and these are riders on SWORKS, Pinarellos, Factors and ect.  Point being, I think if any of these Chinese D2C brands want to really hit the US market they need to get elite athletes on them or really hit the local sponsored group ride scene where influencers are riding them





i completely understand and get what u r saying. i do agree and disagree with you on some points. Is there room in the marketplace for the Chinese bikes I say yes. Lets remember that a lot of these companies are OEM and are just starting a side brand to facilitate the Asian market which is way bigger then NA. the prices of a 2000 frame I don't see as a hurdle as there are so many other brands who charge way more. Are they better NO. I ride Factor bikes bc no one was riding them 4 years ago. I would never ride a spec or trek as they don't provide anything great. I only used to ride Pinarellos but came to realize that their bikes were way too heavy for my liking. I have a spear on order from Seka because no one has these in Canada yet. I hope to keep it that way as I'm not a sheep and follow the hurd with sl8. I'm 49 and i do believe you pay for what you get. My 2 cents.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2024, 04:06:46 PM by James dean »

jrasero

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #87 on: July 31, 2024, 04:56:20 PM »
I totally agree with you about being counter culture.  I have my mainstream Scott Foil RC but I did want another bike that I wouldn't be devastated if I laid it down and had to shell out for a whole new frame but also different from the sea of Tarmacs, Pinarellos, and other high-end bikes that are in the local group ride scene here.  I think the T1550 is a talking point during rides for me and quite frankly when people ask how I like it, I always tell them straight up it's basically just as good if not better in some ways than any Scott or whatever bike. 

James dean

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #88 on: July 31, 2024, 05:08:08 PM »
yeah man

with age personally for me u stop drinking the big brand BS. And you learn all bikes are basically the same. It really comes down to the rider I just hope the spear I ordered is stiff, which I'm sure I wont be disappointed.

BikerJens

Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Reply #89 on: August 01, 2024, 02:17:07 AM »
I have been looking to upgrade my Giant TCR for something more aero for a looooong time and I've been following this sub for some time, hoping to find a good deal. Man, I feel in love with the look of the Tavelo Arow!

But that price? For just a frame, all the way from China? I ended up with a new Merida Reacto 4000, with Shimano 105 12s - just under 2200 USD. That is almost the price of just the Tavelo frame..

In Chinertown maner, I did get a nice set of 60 mm Elitewheels from AliX and the Magene PES P505 - crazy good value on both!
« Last Edit: August 01, 2024, 02:24:40 AM by BikerJens »
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