Author Topic: VeloBuild VB-TT-023  (Read 366658 times)

teichs42

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #615 on: October 07, 2026, 10:15:55 AM »
Well, it seems it's raw carbon week around here, so here's mine  8)

Gotta say, the matte finish goes way better with UD raw carbon compared to the glossy finish I originally ordered...

Only one problem so far:

The basebar rotated down at the stem clamp — dangerously so, while riding. I disassembled everything, cleaned it, and mounted it again with plenty of carbon paste and 6 Nm of torque. It's holding up so far, but the fear never really goes away  :'(

I think I might have had the extensions too far out, creating more leverage and possibly causing the problem. I moved the armrests a little further back for a safer position.

I'm 1.82 m tall, and the frame is a Large. The fit is OK, but I'd rather have more room to extend my arms. I feel like I'm right at the limit with this frame...

I switched the armrests because the original ones were too small for my liking. I'm not a fan of the traditional hand grips with the Blip adapter on top.

I ordered these Balugoe ones from AliExpress. The general size is better, hand grips are better too, but I'm still not happy with them. I'll probably have to design custom ones that actually fit my hands (these are very small). Having the 3-bolt interface for the hand grips does make everything easier, though.

The frame box is my custom design. The other box available for this frame won't fit these types of aero bottles. There's also a custom 3D-printed part at the transition between the brakes and the basebar, smoothing out the height difference between the hydraulic brake caliper and the basebar, so you can get a better grip in that area.

Happy with the build. It weighs 9.9 kg as pictured.

Top down pic of the cockpit? Looks like you lined your aerobards fully with padding?

muringuets

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #616 on: October 07, 2026, 11:49:13 AM »
Do you think that this would also fit for normal round bottles? the previous design posted here was specifically for the aero-bottles..
This one seems to also fit normal bottles.

And by the way.. I can confirm the bar slipping fear will never go away... I have now more than 3500km on the bike but it never happened again ;) (the new alloy stem is definely better btw)

Regarding the box, it was designed for the Trek RSL-style aero bottles (found on AliExpress under the Ahyka brand). This is my first attempt, so it still needs some tweaks.

But I could make a specific version for regular round bottles. The question is: should the box remain constrained by the frame width, or should it follow the shape of the bottle? The second option would mean a wider, rounder box body, and I'm not sure it would look very cool.

I'm the king of imagining cool designs that supposedly attach airflow to various parts of the frame. Then I print them, and they all end up looking ridiculous. 😂

The most obvious example, in my opinion, is the aero cover people are putting in front of regular round bottles. Those things look like Super Mario's evil bullets (I did a version of this a couple years ago - never used).

Top down pic of the cockpit? Looks like you lined your aerobards fully with padding?

It's a cutout from an Ultracool.tech towel, the kind that keeps you cool when it's wet. It's my version of Sam Laidlow's 2024 Kona setup, although his version had a copper lining underneath, some sewing, and a much more professional look.

I did a decent job cutting the second armrest (the one on the right in the picture), but it all fell apart when I realized I had to remove the padding to install it on the bike. The double-sided tape tore the thing apart in multiple places, and all I managed to do was save some dignity. 😂 It's horrific.

It really works! When it's dry, it's stiff and doesn't look like it will work at all, but all you need to do is pour some water over it and voilà — soft again, and the cooling effect is back.

I found it a little too hard on my arms, though. Maybe a two-layer version in the future...

klindsey00

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #617 on: October 07, 2026, 01:20:34 PM »
It's crazy how variable peoples fits are... Tobi is 194cm and says the fit is great, muringuets is 12cm shorter and feels like the reach is too short??? Interested to hear some elaboration on this.

fabianVDW

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #618 on: October 08, 2026, 04:05:08 AM »
Hello everyone! I am close to pulling the trigger also on the VB-TT-23.
My bike fitter had me sitting on the pads (with elbows) around 640mm above the bottom bracket. Can any owner of a size M measure roughly how many spacers would be needed for that? Frame stack says around 501mm, so there is around 14cm of gap, but what I cant really tell is how much of that is covered by existing handlebar...

Thanks, Fabian

muringuets

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #619 on: October 08, 2026, 07:24:44 AM »
It's crazy how variable peoples fits are... Tobi is 194cm and says the fit is great, muringuets is 12cm shorter and feels like the reach is too short??? Interested to hear some elaboration on this.

If you go by Trek's recommended sizing, the L version is suited for riders from 175 to 186 cm, while the XL frame is recommended for 186 to 198 cm.

Velobuild doesn't offer an XL size on their website.

I can't speak for Tobi, but personally, I wouldn't go for an L frame at that height. I'm not sure exactly what his fit looks like or how he managed to feel comfortable on that frame. Bike fitting is a complex discipline — different bodies can have very different proportions even at the same height.

In my case, there's the added concern about the basebar slipping at the stem clamp. When I found a good forward position, the basebar rotated, so I got scared and moved the extensions back a bit.

In that sense, I'd like to have more freedom to move forward without worrying about it, but you work with what you've got. It works for me as it is now.

klindsey00

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #620 on: October 08, 2026, 11:30:56 AM »
If you go by Trek's recommended sizing, the L version is suited for riders from 175 to 186 cm, while the XL frame is recommended for 186 to 198 cm.

Velobuild doesn't offer an XL size on their website.

I can't speak for Tobi, but personally, I wouldn't go for an L frame at that height. I'm not sure exactly what his fit looks like or how he managed to feel comfortable on that frame. Bike fitting is a complex discipline — different bodies can have very different proportions even at the same height.

In my case, there's the added concern about the basebar slipping at the stem clamp. When I found a good forward position, the basebar rotated, so I got scared and moved the extensions back a bit.

In that sense, I'd like to have more freedom to move forward without worrying about it, but you work with what you've got. It works for me as it is now.

Right, If they offered an XL I'd probably order one. From Tobi's pictures there is a TON of seat post and a pretty good amound of spacers but the saddle is centered and no extra reach on the cockpit. As far as the stem clamp slipping did you get the newest version of it? Still think I'll be going with winow for the larger size and putting on a pretty standard stem to avoid slippage.

Juul

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #621 on: October 09, 2026, 02:06:41 AM »
It's crazy how variable peoples fits are... Tobi is 194cm and says the fit is great, muringuets is 12cm shorter and feels like the reach is too short??? Interested to hear some elaboration on this.

Indeed fits can be very unique.
For context: i'm also only like 180cm probably. And would also like more reach.
But my bikefitter told me (for my road bike), that I have short legs and longer torso. My seatpost is as low is it can go :)

Tobi

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #622 on: October 09, 2026, 02:14:18 AM »
Hi,

here’s a photo of my current position.

I’m 27 and really like the saddle-to-bar drop and the compact feel of the bike. It works for me, though I wouldn't be able to ride the bike without the spacers. I’m still figuring out my ideal position, of course, but I can still put out plenty of watts in the current setup. I don't think the frame is for everyone, but if you’re looking for a nice, aero position, it can work well.

I asked Chris to include the maximum spacer height. It’s 10.5 cm, to be exact. I think I’ll get a different cockpit with narrower arm cups so my forearms have more support.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2026, 02:19:36 AM by Tobi »

fabianVDW

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #623 on: October 09, 2026, 03:39:44 AM »

I asked Chris to include the maximum spacer height. It’s 10.5 cm, to be exact. I think I’ll get a different cockpit with narrower arm cups so my forearms have more support.
This is conflicting information: A couple of people here were running even 120mm spacers. And he even told me explicitly that for my position he would recommend around 14cm of spacers and they could supply screws...

RickyM

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #624 on: October 09, 2026, 07:18:12 AM »
I´m using 12cm of spacers as you can see in the picture. Just add a washer in the bolts heads of the spacers screws, below the handlebar.
I also put a picture of my aero bottle because I found this is a simple solution. It is the original trek bottle and cage, with an adapter that I bought on Ali. I also made a hole in the back of the bottle cage to make it secure.

muringuets

Re: VeloBuild VB-TT-023
« Reply #625 on: October 10, 2026, 10:12:51 AM »
Hi,

here’s a photo of my current position.

I’m 27 and really like the saddle-to-bar drop and the compact feel of the bike. It works for me, though I wouldn't be able to ride the bike without the spacers. I’m still figuring out my ideal position, of course, but I can still put out plenty of watts in the current setup. I don't think the frame is for everyone, but if you’re looking for a nice, aero position, it can work well.

I asked Chris to include the maximum spacer height. It’s 10.5 cm, to be exact. I think I’ll get a different cockpit with narrower arm cups so my forearms have more support.

Hi Tobi!

Looking at the pictures, you definitely have a compact position. Glad the frame works for you that way!

From your bike pics, it looks like the armrests (or extensions?) are positioned facing the back side of the the bridge. Mine were already 2 cm further forward (half of the rectangular armrest bases were unsupported), and at one point I managed to move them even further forward, with the two bolts securing them in the frontmost position — and that's when the basebar slipped.

As you can see, I prefer a more extended position. And again, different bodies and fit preferences are perfectly normal...

Looking at your pictures again, there's not much room to move further forward, as the tips of your armrests are almost in line with the front edge of the front wheel (which is a hard limit for Ironman events, at least). Mine are the same, very close to the limit...
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Speaking as an avid reader rather than an expert, there's a general consensus that you usually ride a smaller frame on a TT bike. I got plenty of recommendations for Medium frames when I first got into triathlon.

Recent bike-fitting trends have been moving towards more extended positions, often combined with shorter crank arms, a rotated pelvis, and all the aero bla bla bla you'll see discussed online.

You can see this trend reflected in the sheer number of aftermarket extenders available — TriRig has some crazy ones. That said, I definitely don't think it's a good idea to push the extensions that far forward without considering the overall fit.

Anyway, frame designs haven't really caught up with these fitting trends, and there's a clear need for more forward adjustment and reach on modern TT bikes.

All in all, it's a complicated business trying to commit to a frame based solely on recommendations from Chinese bike forums. My advice to anyone considering a purchase is to figure out their fit requirements first.

If this is going to be your first TT bike, be aware that you might get it wrong.

Starting with a used frame and figuring out your preferred position on the bike is usually a much smarter move than jumping the gun and buying a frame that may or may not fit you. This is especially important for riders at either end of the height spectrum — shorter and taller guys and gals.

For the Velobuild TT-023, Trek's sizing recommendations are a good starting point, as the two frames are very similar in dimensions.

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I really hope Chris moves to an integrated stem and basebar design, like the ICAN TT017 or the Avenger TM07. I understand the advantages of the current stem + basebar setup, but given the number of issues VB has had with its carbon stem, I'd love to see them switch to a one-piece carbon design.

That's about the only negative thing I can say about this frame. Other than that, it really shines!