Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?

[Sander2177]

Check my 56 size with specialized Web.

Will get a better Idea when the frame arrives and I can compare the two frames side by side

[patliean1]

Yeah so I'm finally selling off my real SL8 frameset. It's been collecting dust, with the exception experimenting with super narrow handlebars and obnoxiously long stems. The Chinese brands are good enough now for my needs. Wheels and groupsets are more important anyway.

I'm looking forward to hearing more longer term feedback on the X68. That way I can get one and use it as a "tribute" bike LoL

[greengoblinbean]

Quick update on my frame. I have around 500km on it at the moment and still zero issues. I do wince a bit when I ride over big potholes, almost in preparation for a a fork failure, but nothing concerning has happened. I also am now checking the fork after every ride both visually and with the coin test to make sure things look good. Happy customer so far

[Sakizashi]

Just out of curiosity, why are people resistant to the idea that TanTan / Seraph are the ones making fake frames?

Objectively, this saga raises the following possibilities:

• TanTan sources some of their frames from other factories
• TanTan doesn't fully own or control their factory. Perhaps it is a shared asset and these fakes are financed by another partner in the factory
• TanTan is producing fake frames

Folks seem sold on scenario 1, but I don't get it. Most of the frames on this thread already sport S Works or Specialized decals, so it's not resistance to counterfeiting. I'm just really curious to understand why TanTan is held in enough regard to discount possibilities 2 and 3.

[patliean1]

Wait, really? I thought you made videos on how amazing the frame was and how clearly better it was, and faster, and all of that? What... happened?
I dont actually have a horse in this race, but i didn't expect that!

I'll be fully transparent and honest in here since Chinatown is my family now of 5 years 

1. The Tarmac SL8 is the lightest most comfortable and crosswind-stable frame I've reviewed. Climbing on it is fantastic. The magic sauce that Specialized uses is tangible and real. I've done 6-7 hour rides on it and never really felt frame fatigue afterwards. But it's not super exciting to ride everyday, in how I subjectively quantify excitement. It's not exhilarating. It's comfy but lacks character. That doesn't mean it isn't fast. It's speedy for sure.

2. The SL8/SL7 are NPC bikes around here. Sure they are great on paper, but everyone has one. I don't care if more road feedback means marginally less rolling resistance. I like my frames to actually feel stiff because in my head that means "stomp on the pedals harder" It's why I owned two Allez Sprints and the latest Giant Propel. Stiff bikes are fun bikes. Stiff bikes feel fast. Cornering on a stiff bike is so freakin fun.

3. I only invested in the SL8 for the sake of benchmarking against other frames. Specialized fan boys (admittedly probably one myself) tell me all the time the SL8 is the one to beat, so I figured I'd put my money where my mouth is. And after 1 year of use, the frameset has served it's purpose. Same with my Propel. My YouTube channel's marginal success is predicated on constantly testing out new products. Similar to the independent car tuner channels. Legacy products don't bring in views because the audience is always expecting new projects.

4. The primary reason over everything above however is two-fold: Money and Philosophy. I can no longer afford to have several $6000-$8000 bikes lying around if they aren't getting used enough. Which is funny considering I ride 10,000mi/16,000km a year. So having an SL8 collecting dust because I don't love it is a terrible terrible financial decision. And finally, I realize I just don't "need" an expensive bike for my usage. I will continue to review Western-brands as time/budget allows. Although I suspect nothing will come close to the SL8 anytime soon. The new Scott Addict looks tasty. That's the only bike I'd invest my money into at the moment. I considered the Factor Ostro for a while but....meh.

Getting back into competitively riding my bikes in circles this season has been an eye-opener to what's important to me in a bike. I 100% feel like an idiot making that comment because I am very much still an amateur with both a forgettable FTP and skill level. I am not qualified to speak on crit racing. That said, my Tavelo Arow has been fantastic for the 11 or 12 crits I've done so far. Yes I was sent the frame. But my Yishun/LC R086D which I paid for is just as capable. Pushing bikes closer to (my) theoretical limits has taught me that both the OEM and mid-level Chinese brands are more than capable of producing great frames for their intended purposes. The resell value however is absolutely atrocious. If that's important to you...

I still would like to test an X68 just so I finally close the chapter on my SL8. I just think wheels, groupset, fitness/coach, and optimal position on the bike have played more of a critical role than the importance of the frame itself.

[glepore]

Just out of curiosity, why are people resistant to the idea that TanTan / Seraph are the ones making fake frames?

Objectively, this saga raises the following possibilities:

• TanTan sources some of their frames from other factories
• TanTan doesn't fully own or control their factory. Perhaps it is a shared asset and these fakes are financed by another partner in the factory
• TanTan is producing fake frames

Folks seem sold on scenario 1, but I don't get it. Most of the frames on this thread already sport S Works or Specialized decals, so it's not resistance to counterfeiting. I'm just really curious to understand why TanTan is held in enough regard to discount possibilities 2 and 3.

No one is resistant to the idea other than apparently tantan themselves.

[kubackje]

Sounds good.
Apart from Ceramic Speed SLT
Have you any suggestions?
Apart from applying a shit ton of grease!

From what I've read this is basically same as ceramic speed SLT (some say they maybe even make them for CS).

https://www.kugellager-shop.net/mh-p16-bo-max-sl-steuersatz-kugellager-vollkugelig-40x52x7mm.html

And a cheaper option 

https://www.kugellager-shop.net/mh-p16-ss-45-45-edelstahl-lenkkopf-kugellager-52x40x7mm.html

[glepore]

Pat- totally get that. The sl8, given what I've found with the x68, is a great all around bike. It is likely a little "soft" for folks that like something that doesn't give at all. The tradeoff is as you've found, that you can both go reasonably fast and not be broken over a few hours. Its pretty rare that way.

But if you could have a complete x68 with a futureproof group (wheeltop performs really freakin well, longevity to be determined) for 1/4 the Specialized tax, yeah, I'd sell the sl8. Its a great bike at a great markup.

[Tom77]

From what I've read this is basically same as ceramic speed SLT (some say they maybe even make them for CS).

https://www.kugellager-shop.net/mh-p16-bo-max-sl-steuersatz-kugellager-vollkugelig-40x52x7mm.html

And a cheaper option 

https://www.kugellager-shop.net/mh-p16-ss-45-45-edelstahl-lenkkopf-kugellager-52x40x7mm.html

Those one do not fit: 52mm vs. 49,5mm

These are the right ones:

[Tom77]

Those one do not fit: 52mm vs. 49,5mm

These are the right ones:

https://www.kugellager-shop.net/acb495h6-5-bo-max-sl-steuersatz-kugellager-vollkugelig.html

https://www.kugellager-shop.net/acb495h6-5-45-45-steuersatz-kugellager-specialized.html

[Sander2177]

Ok we have confirm that the X68 takes 49.5mm
So I'm assuming these ones for something premium

[Sander2177]

Hey all
For purchaser of the Frame

How long did your shipping take?
In particular anyone in the UK?

[dovh]

Hey all
For purchaser of the Frame

How long did your shipping take?
In particular anyone in the UK?

Mine took around 12 days  to Czech Republic if i remember correctly.

[JImportante]

13 days to Poland

[Ledkk]

What about additional fees and cost of shipping to UE?