Author Topic: LTK266-D-SL, race frame, 680g, <800g w/paint & metal parts (M), fits 35mm+ tires  (Read 382004 times)

klrdd

Honestly, at S1250 incl. shipping and duties, the Permeants pricing isn't terrible given that it looks like it comes with a few extras I didnt get with my frame.

What are the extras that sweeten that deal? I haven't been hit with duties yet (Alisa has informed me the bike is all set and will ship out today or tomorrow) but mine netted out to $940 with paint job, some additions, freight to US, and paypal fees (see attachment). But I guess duties may well bring it up to that price. Can one do Permeants no logo?

contraptions

This is my frame.  Check out the black Permeants frames in the background.  Weird they can't/won't supply the direct mount hanger.  Suggests to me they don't own/operate the Permeants brand.
Not sure what the silver/red/black bikes are.

 

contraptions

There are also some on Aliexpress for $30
Ordered one of https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008828610548.html.  Will report back


klrdd

I haven't been hit with duties yet (Alisa has informed me the bike is all set and will ship out today or tomorrow) but mine netted out to $940 with paint job, some additions, freight to US, and paypal fees (see attachment).

Shipping is really fast to US. The frame was sent to the shipping company on Tuesday (9/2) and I received tracking information yesterday (9/4). It is scheduled to arrive to my home address in the Northeast US on Monday (9/8).

For the American lurkers: For the import, I am being charged just  $55 dollars in government fees + a $14 processing fee ($69 total -- nice  8) ) from UPS. I paid through the UPS website pre-delivery with UPS MyChoice.
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Sakizashi

This is my frame.  Check out the black Permeants frames in the background.  Weird they can't/won't supply the direct mount hanger.  Suggests to me they don't own/operate the Permeants brand.
Not sure what the silver/red/black bikes are.

You ordered yours fully raw?

FWIW, pretty happy with mine, but I have not tried it on some light gravel / a cx-y type run to see how it feels on that stuff. Will have more complete thoughts (and pics) by this time next week, as I should have a few hundred miles on it by then.

contraptions

You ordered yours fully raw?

FWIW, pretty happy with mine, but I have not tried it on some light gravel / a cx-y type run to see how it feels on that stuff. Will have more complete thoughts (and pics) by this time next week, as I should have a few hundred miles on it by then.

Yes.  Going to Cerakote it.

klrdd

Shipping is really fast to US. The frame was sent to the shipping company on Tuesday (9/2) and I received tracking information yesterday (9/4). It is scheduled to arrive to my home address in the Northeast US on Monday (9/8).

For the American lurkers: For the import, I am being charged just  $55 dollars in government fees + a $14 processing fee ($69 total -- nice  8) ) from UPS. I paid through the UPS website pre-delivery with UPS MyChoice.

Arrived today as expected. In green glossy finish, the size L frame with UDH and front derailleur hanger installed comes in at 789grams. Uncut fork is 325 grams, seatpost minus clamp hardware is 96 grams. Impressive.

Wheels, cockpit, and groupset arrive later this week. Hope to have it ready to ride in a few weeks, after which I will report back.

klrdd

Question for those who have built up the LTK266: There was a split crown race included with the headset bearings, but it doesn't seem like the bike needs it. Did you use the included crown race?

Dr J

Question for those who have built up the LTK266: There was a split crown race included with the headset bearings, but it doesn't seem like the bike needs it. Did you use the included crown race?
Bije doenst need the seperate crown; fork has a build in crown race

superudy

Hi friends, between the speeder scr55d, ltk 266dsl and spcycle r088, which one do you recommend for build quality and zero assembly problems?

klrdd

Will have more complete thoughts (and pics) by this time next week, as I should have a few hundred miles on it by then.

Any updates on the ride yet? I'm eager to hear others' thoughts -- I am starting the build today, just waiting for my crankset/cassette/bb to arrive tomorrow. I hope to be riding my frame by end of next week, with initial thoughts a week from today.

Sakizashi

Any updates on the ride yet? I'm eager to hear others' thoughts -- I am starting the build today, just waiting for my crankset/cassette/bb to arrive tomorrow. I hope to be riding my frame by end of next week, with initial thoughts a week from today.

Honestly, it's just a good bike to the point of being boring. Coming from my aggressive road bike, the bike feels slightly lazy, more like an SSE than a Tarmac SL8. The SL8 is a pretty calm performer IMO, so this is on trend with how most people want their bikes these days.

I've ridden it with my regular road wheels and Berd spoked wheels, and it feels very much like a higher-end carbon bike. It tracks through corners like it should, felt composed over rough pavement to the point that I didn't even think about it. I didn't notice any road buzz or anything coming in through the bars, though my bars are a 1.3kg chunk of 3d printed 17-4 steel, so YMMV with a carbon bar. On gravel, it does feel a little more nervous, but it is a road bike, so sending it down singletrack wasn't in the designer's intent. That said, gravel roads were similarly of little concern to me.

I haven't tried to measure aero, but it's similar in feel to most all-arounders, possibly a bit worse due to the concessions made for tire clearance. However, all of that is erased by an aggressive body position. I bought an M, and it's a pretty aggressive geometry compared to the rest of the range. The S compares favorably to the 52 SL8, the M is more aggressive than the 54 SL8, and the L is less aggressive than the 56 SL8. Another factor is that I am running a custom bar that is also low and long, a custom headset cover, and a -17 degree 130mm stem.

In terms of assembly, as others warned, the included saddle clamp hardware is awful. I have the Ritchey stuff and almost switched it out, but since the stock stuff was lighter, I decided to stick with it. The issue IMO is the rubber carrier and the two bottom portions of the cradle don't hold together. Fixing this would be easy TBH. All that is really needed is to make the holes in the rubber carrier smaller. Similarly, the rubber cover for the seat post clamp is an atrocity, and I would have preferred not to have had it supplied. The other "issue" is that the front wheel/hub doesn't have a strong resting place like it does on my other bikes. In other words, I can't just slot a wheel in w/o a thru axle and expect the bike to stay up if it's leaning against a wall or in a rear wheel stand. This is really not a big deal, just something I noticed.

This sounds like a downer review, but to me, it's the exact opposite. This bike is really good and really good at a lot of things, to the point where I didn't notice much about the bike because there weren't any apparent shortcomings. If you are looking for an aero-looking bike, this frame isn't it. If you are looking for a bike you can ride fast that builds up light, this is probably it.

Really looking forward to hearing what other people think of the frame, but I am impressed.

Sakizashi

I forgot to mention the killer feature of this frame. Tire clearance. I suspect most 38mm tires are a little bit too wide to meet the 6mm and the often cited 5.5mm is really close, but I suspect 38mm slicks or small knob tires will be what I end up running.

In terms of tires Ive tried:

  • 32mm GP5k TL. Fits with 8mm of clearance on all sides. WAM is 33mm+.
  • 36mm Challenge Strade Blanche Pros fit nicely with 6mm of clearance all around. I have these tires on hand as a reference, but wouldnt wish them on anyone. Hard to fit, easy to puncture.
  • 40mm Hutchinson Caracal Race do not fit. There isnt enough clearance as they are 42mm WAM on the rims i tried.

klrdd

I forgot to mention the killer feature of this frame. Tire clearance. I suspect most 38mm tires are a little bit too wide to meet the 6mm and the often cited 5.5mm is really close, but I suspect 38mm slicks or small knob tires will be what I end up running.

In terms of tires Ive tried:

  • 32mm GP5k TL. Fits with 8mm of clearance on all sides. WAM is 33mm+.
  • 36mm Challenge Strade Blanche Pros fit nicely with 6mm of clearance all around. I have these tires on hand as a reference, but wouldnt wish them on anyone. Hard to fit, easy to puncture.
  • 40mm Hutchinson Caracal Race do not fit. There isnt enough clearance as they are 42mm WAM on the rims i tried.

I'm still building up the components and cockpit, but just to see, I did put on my 9velo 50mm wheels (24mm internal width) with Michelin Pro5 35mm (WAM ~36-37) and there is a ton of clearance. Excited to see the difference in ridefeel from my current setup with 25mm GP5Ks (but otherwise near-identical frame geo). More soon.

Sakizashi



Rival e1 levers, hope RX2 calipers. 1x using an old crank I had lying around, a ton of 3d printed parts. Stem is a 130mm Kalloy Uno -17. Also, the handlebar that I am going to keep blurred for now, since it's still being developed. It weighs 1.3kg+. The bike, including that chonker of a bar and the Look Xtrack carbon (steel axles), is just under 8kg.

With my DFS road wheels and 28mm tires, this bike weighs 7.7ish kg.

This is basically a test vehicle for parts I design, so it's built less to look good and more to be quickly taken apart and have parts swapped around.
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