Quote from: Gloopann on March 10, 2026, 05:00:15 PM
I don't recall there being a 160mm P515, unless it's a very recent release

There is with TEO crank

Quote from: BikeLab on March 09, 2026, 02:08:17 PM
Geometry of XXL/58 is here!

Everything looks good but the seat angle is not progressive enough i don't think. 73 is SLACK.

Yeah my gravel bike seat tube angle is 73, zero setback post with saddle slammed forward and 82cm saddle height I still have 8cm of setback. Road bikes especially shouldn't go slacker than 73,5 and in my opinion gravel bikes shouldn't either, you can always use a setback seatpost.

Quote from: rolypoly on March 11, 2026, 10:36:42 PM
Everything looks good but the seat angle is not progressive enough i don't think. 73 is SLACK.

The 73° listed is the effective seat tube angle (measured from the BB center to the seat clamp), but the actual seatpost angle is significantly steeper.

Ultimately, your body doesn't care about frame angles; it only cares about saddle height and saddle setback relative to the bottom bracket.
If you are on a size 58 with a high saddle extension, the seatpost follows that steeper trajectory. This means your saddle will not move as far backward as it would on a frame with a true, continuous 73° angle.

Seatpost angle (quickly measured in canva) 80°
Some gemini calculations:

Saddle Height	Inseam	Rider height	Fit Context for Size 58	Equivalent STA (Measured 80° Physical ASTA)
700mm	793mm	168-175cm	Too low for this frame. Requires minimal seatpost extension.	74.35°
750mm	849mm	176-183cm	Lower end of the fit window.	74.73°
800mm	906mm	185-192cm	Target demographic. High extension activating the steeper ASTA.	75.06°
850mm	963mm	195cm+	Extreme extension. Saddle position will shift drastically forward.	75.35°

Thats right - actual seatpost angle is about 80°

With saddle height at 800mm (from center BB to saddle top) and using Selle Italia SLR that is 248mm long and has 50mm regulation on rails You can have 50-95mm saddle setback (there is 45-90mm on screenshot but seatpost has 5mm offset).

EDIT:

In my calculations, I also did not take into account the width of the saddle mount, which limits our ability to extend the saddle forward or backward. Probably more realistic setback values for a saddle at this height are 65-85mm (including a 5mm offset).

EDIT2:

According to my calculations, if the width of the saddle holder is 30mm, the possible setback presents itself as follows:

Saddle Height               Possible offset
750mm                        57-77mm
800mm                        65-85mm
850mm                        74-94mm

Thanks @casper.f and @BikeLab.

Thats much more promising.

Quote from: BikeLab on March 09, 2026, 02:08:17 PM
Geometry of XXL/58 is here!

Any idea of when this will be available to buy?

Quote from: rolypoly on March 16, 2026, 06:07:09 PM
Thanks @casper.f and @BikeLab.

Thats much more promising.

Any idea of when this will be available to buy?

I might start collecting orders this week, but lead time is 60-75 days.

Hello everyone!

We have some exciting news for the taller riders in the community who often struggle to find performance frames in their size. We are officially launching the VoiceVelo ECHO XXL (Size 58) Preorder!

Here are the details:

• We need a minimum of 20 preorder reservations for the XXL size to move into production and order processing.
• No payment is required upfront. Payment links will only be sent out once we have successfully collected the 20 necessary reservations.
• If the 20-unit goal is not reached, the preorder may be canceled, and all participants will be notified.

Exclusive Discount: As a thank you for helping us bring the XXL size to life, all preorder participants will receive a 10% discount off the regular price.

👉 LINK TO THE XXL PREORDER FORM https://forms.gle/4tAtNseVBF4TJ2Lc7

Nice, ordered. I hope we reach the 20 orders.

What will the final price be, including shipping to germany if possible?

Quote from: freddy_the_main on March 20, 2026, 11:07:23 AM
What will the final price be, including shipping to germany if possible?

💵1699$ —> 1529$ for frameset, free shipping to Germany.

Is it possible to preorder the VH version? I`m on the heavier side, except for my wallet, that thing is on the lighter side.

Hi everyone, a quick update from Italy.
Today I won a circuit race with this beautiful machine. I attacked with about 800 meters to go and managed to hold off the group until the finish.

I'm really happy with this bike — especially the handlebar, the stiffness is really impressive. In fact, I'm ordering another one to mount on my other bike.

And with deep-section wheels, it also looks absolutely stunning.

Very , very awesome looking bike. Love it !!

Quote from: giorgiobuccio on March 28, 2026, 01:41:35 PM
Hi everyone, a quick update from Italy.
Today I won a circuit race with this beautiful machine. I attacked with about 800 meters to go and managed to hold off the group until the finish.

I'm really happy with this bike — especially the handlebar, the stiffness is really impressive. In fact, I'm ordering another one to mount on my other bike.

And with deep-section wheels, it also looks absolutely stunning.

Figata! Anche con il body swatt, bella bici complimentoni, dove hai comprato il telaio?