Quote from: dinorello on December 01, 2024, 12:51:42 PM
Well I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm going to continue to voice my concerns about the safety and overall quality of LCs frame.  I wouldn't be surprised if you changed your tune after your frame was delivered and experienced some of the issues that I did.

So equally, if I told you I bought 4 frames over 18 months and had 0 issues with any of them, among them the LCR017, should we not agree that some mistake might happen?

Shit happens, the question is how often, even the best brand let error slips, are we still bashing them constantly?

Quote from: dinorello on December 01, 2024, 12:51:42 PM
Well I'm sorry you feel that way but I'm going to continue to voice my concerns about the safety and overall quality of LCs frame.  I wouldn't be surprised if you changed your tune after your frame was delivered and experienced some of the issues that I did.

now that's just plain garbage: "voice my concerns about the safety and overall quality of LCs frame". You're doing nothing of the sort or at least not in any constructive and sensible fashion. But you knew that when you wrote it.
I realize that you won't change your behavior even when called out on it repeatedly. So you do you ...
For the rest interested in a proper conversation here, we need to continue to filter out your noise.

Quote from: mheusler on December 01, 2024, 01:23:30 PM
now that's just plain garbage: "voice my concerns about the safety and overall quality of LCs frame". You're doing nothing of the sort or at least not in any constructive and sensible fashion. But you knew that when you wrote it.
I realize that you won't change your behavior even when called out on it repeatedly. So you do you ...
For the rest interested in a proper conversation here, we need to continue to filter out your noise.

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The only noise here is you.  You wanting to dictate what others say and think is fkn odd. 

calm down! my friends

Quote from: dinorello on December 01, 2024, 02:19:30 PM
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The only noise here is you.  You wanting to dictate what others say and think is fkn odd.

Can I ask what the problem with your frame was? Mine arrived in perfect condition: the quality of the carbon was excellent, the paint flawless, the bearing seats perfect, the bottom bracket threads perfect, and last but not least, the faces where the brake calipers rest were milled and perfectly parallel, or rather, perpendicular to the brake discs. It has never been so easy to align brake calipers... The result of your crusade is that everyone who has had a good experience with the frame will write it here, haha!

Quote from: ceres on December 02, 2024, 12:27:30 AM
Can I ask what the problem with your frame was? Mine arrived in perfect condition: the quality of the carbon was excellent, the paint flawless, the bearing seats perfect, the bottom bracket threads perfect, and last but not least, the faces where the brake calipers rest were milled and perfectly parallel, or rather, perpendicular to the brake discs. It has never been so easy to align brake calipers... The result of your crusade is that everyone who has had a good experience with the frame will write it here, haha!

It is not really comprehensible. But it must have something to do with buses.
Just enter "bus" in the search bar. It seems to be an massive problem for Dinorello and Serge...

Quote from: ceres on December 02, 2024, 12:27:30 AM
Can I ask what the problem with your frame was? Mine arrived in perfect condition: the quality of the carbon was excellent, the paint flawless, the bearing seats perfect, the bottom bracket threads perfect, and last but not least, the faces where the brake calipers rest were milled and perfectly parallel, or rather, perpendicular to the brake discs. It has never been so easy to align brake calipers... The result of your crusade is that everyone who has had a good experience with the frame will write it here, haha!

I've already detailed all the issues in this thread with pictures. Im glad that your frame turned out ok and it's probably due to the fact that I was "crusading" my issues with LC acting as their test pilot/ guinea pig

Quote from: dinorello on December 02, 2024, 04:15:59 PM
I've already detailed all the issues in this thread with pictures. Im glad that your frame turned out ok and it's probably due to the fact that I was "crusading" my issues with LC acting as their test pilot/ guinea pig

just out of interest i looked through the thread again, as i couldn't remember you posting anything with respect to major issues with the frame itself.
This was the only thing I found:
"The front and rear caliper mounts could've been faced to help with alignment.  The rear cutout for the derailleur hanger was a bit wonky and needed a little persuading to help it align to prevent it from binding up the axle when the set screw was tightened.  I choose black to specifically camouflage the overly boxy down tube.  Other than that the bikes been a dream to ride the first 400 miles thus far."
That, plus that you're unhappy with the paintjob (white base coat / no clear coat).

Can you remind me again which other issues you're talking about?

This thread kind of has turned to shit. There wouldn't be half as many posts here if it weren't for the few bad frames that were shipped to paying customers.
I hope LC reads it and sees it as "quality control is important. Like hairdressers, we're only as good as our last haircut / frame".
At that point, just like i would never buy a airwolf frame because of the prevalence of horror stories on this forum, i dont think i'd buy a LC frame, because there are plenty of factories to choose from selling functionally similar frames, and i want to ride the frame i receive. I dont want to have a very material chance of receiving something that wouldn't pass basic QC, arguing, waiting, troubleshooting... And so, it's a probability thing. I'd just buy something else because there are plenty of options, and many competitors dont have this recent track record of shipping $hit to customers. Some will say it's overly cautious / paranoid. I call it a probability weighted choice.

Quote from: dinorello on December 01, 2024, 02:19:30 PM
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The only noise here is you.  You wanting to dictate what others say and think is fkn odd.

Dude let it go you're embarrassing yourself

Quote from: Serge_K on December 03, 2024, 01:43:59 AM
This thread kind of has turned to shit. There wouldn't be half as many posts here if it weren't for the few bad frames that were shipped to paying customers.
I hope LC reads it and sees it as "quality control is important. Like hairdressers, we're only as good as our last haircut / frame".
At that point, just like i would never buy a airwolf frame because of the prevalence of horror stories on this forum, i dont think i'd buy a LC frame, because there are plenty of factories to choose from selling functionally similar frames, and i want to ride the frame i receive. I dont want to have a very material chance of receiving something that wouldn't pass basic QC, arguing, waiting, troubleshooting... And so, it's a probability thing. I'd just buy something else because there are plenty of options, and many competitors dont have this recent track record of shipping $hit to customers. Some will say it's overly cautious / paranoid. I call it a probability weighted choice.

+1

Quote from: mheusler on December 03, 2024, 01:15:26 AM
just out of interest i looked through the thread again, as i couldn't remember you posting anything with respect to major issues with the frame itself.
This was the only thing I found:
"The front and rear caliper mounts could've been faced to help with alignment.  The rear cutout for the derailleur hanger was a bit wonky and needed a little persuading to help it align to prevent it from binding up the axle when the set screw was tightened.  I choose black to specifically camouflage the overly boxy down tube.  Other than that the bikes been a dream to ride the first 400 miles thus far."
That, plus that you're unhappy with the paintjob (white base coat / no clear coat).

Can you remind me again which other issues you're talking about?

I'd say that dealing with LC was ultimately what turned me sour..  They wouldn't acknowledge any of the issues or would attempt to gaslight me up until I filed a dispute with PayPal.    Looking back I remember that Wendy had tried to convince me to pay via the Friends and family option on PayPal which wouldn't have given me any recourse whatsoever.

Quote from: dinorello on December 03, 2024, 06:29:08 AM
I'd say that dealing with LC was ultimately what turned me sour..  They wouldn't acknowledge any of the issues or would attempt to gaslight me up until I filed a dispute with PayPal.    Looking back I remember that Wendy had tried to convince me to pay via the Friends and family option on PayPal which wouldn't have given me any recourse whatsoever.

I havent read the whole drama, but this is really bad behavior from them. It's on par with Winow simply ghosting me indefinitely after spending thousands with them. Ok, black list for me. There's enough competition in this sector to afford to pick to work with people who aren't shitty like that.

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Given the heat in the last messages, i figured i'd try and trigger as wide as possible

One of the benefits of living in a western democracy is being able to voice opinions without fear or favor.

Going back to the topic and answering the user, with 1.90 having 100kg is not that much. I am around 90kg and have a 58 LCR017. I'm not doing jumps with it or anything. It works fine, as one would expect. I don't think 10kg extra would make any difference. In any case you can ask them and maybe get the "standard" version instead of the "superlight" one.

Take everyone's opinion (good or bad) brand, or personal, with a pinch of salt.