Concerned people might also consider road tire inserts nowadays. I believe we have passed the dark middle ages, and in a modern and progressive society, it's not illegal anymore. Fashion police will not arrest you.

Got mine from Peter also , 45mm with impressive 1237grams.

Quote from: jinaaa on February 12, 2025, 01:56:29 AM
Got mine from Peter also , 45mm with impressive 1237grams.

Are those Steel Spokes? I'm looking for a similar setup of the DCU-55s but with steel spokes and i'm interested in real world weights compared to the carbon spoke versions.

Quote from: jinaaa on February 12, 2025, 01:56:29 AM
Got mine from Peter also , 45mm with impressive 1237grams.

are theese the 26mm internal width with steel spoke?
i'm interested in the same configuration, what is the final price? do you know the difference between yours configuration and carbon spokes?

Quote from: boulala on February 12, 2025, 04:32:10 AM
Are those Steel Spokes? I'm looking for a similar setup of the DCU-55s but with steel spokes and i'm interested in real world weights compared to the carbon spoke versions.

Pillar wing 20 spokes
Pillar aluminum nipples

Quote from: gabbia on February 13, 2025, 08:59:08 AM
are theese the 26mm internal width with steel spoke?
i'm interested in the same configuration, what is the final price? do you know the difference between yours configuration and carbon spokes?

i believe the innerwidth is 21.4mm
outer width 28mm
T1100 rims 24/24H UD matt
Carbon Speed in-house hubs 36T rachets center lock straight pull for 100*12/142*12
Pillar wing 20 spokes
Pillar aluminum nipples

Pricewise , you can contact Peter , he is also here on the Forum and then he gives you the quote

I am really interested in the D50CU-33s. I run a Vielo V+1 as a mixed road/gravel bike and it looks like these wheels would fit perfectly.

I was going to go with new farsports Evo's but has some concerns about being able to true the carbon spokes or replace broken spokes. It seems no one here shares similar concerns about these wheels?

D50CU33 w/ T800 and 24/24 steel spokes is 1400g at $600 shipped to us


D50CU33 w/ T1100 and 20/20 carbon spokes is sub 1200g at $950 shipped


Spending 50% more on less durable wheels to save ~200grams is probably not worth it for any of us who dont race

Quote from: Nkearb on February 14, 2025, 10:09:53 AM
D50CU33 w/ T800 and 24/24 steel spokes is 1400g at $600 shipped to us


D50CU33 w/ T1100 and 20/20 carbon spokes is sub 1200g at $950 shipped


Spending 50% more on less durable wheels to save ~200grams is probably not worth it for any of us who dont race

It's not about being 'worth it' but about wanting it. Lighter wheels spin up faster and generally feel quicker - I swapped a set of alloy Vento wheels with a 35mm set of Bora's on my Master and it transformed the ride and looks even better (same tires). I tried the same bike with a set of HED Stinger tubulars and it was better again. If someone thinking light (whatever) is going to make them move up a CAT level than they are kidding themselves. Heck, if I wanted to save 200g I would just skip breakfast.

Oddly enough I just ordered these  https://www.xmcarbonspeed.com/Productinfo.asp?f=1657. A 1400g set of gravel wheels for a road bike. I don't mind the weight extra weight at all

So I have gotten two offers from Peter:

1275g - 58mm rare and 50front
D50CU-28 T1100 rims 24/24H UD paintless, in-house hubs 36T rachets enduro steel bearings center lock straight pull for 100*12/142*12 with Shimano HG driver, Pillar 1420 spokes, Pillar aluminum nipples

1221g and 58rare and 50front:
D50CU-28 T1100 rims 21/21H UD paintless, In-house black or titanium color hubs 21/21H side entry hubs for carbon spokes 54T rachets TPI ceramic bearings center lock straight pull for 100*12/142*12 with Shimano HG driver, carbon spokes with nipples

Any changes I should consider and is it worth going Carbon spokes vs Pillar 1420 spokes?

Quote from: Chriasp on February 15, 2025, 06:06:35 AM
So I have gotten two offers from Peter:

1275g - 58mm rare and 50front
D50CU-28 T1100 rims 24/24H UD paintless, in-house hubs 36T rachets enduro steel bearings center lock straight pull for 100*12/142*12 with Shimano HG driver, Pillar 1420 spokes, Pillar aluminum nipples

1221g and 58rare and 50front:
D50CU-28 T1100 rims 21/21H UD paintless, In-house black or titanium color hubs 21/21H side entry hubs for carbon spokes 54T rachets TPI ceramic bearings center lock straight pull for 100*12/142*12 with Shimano HG driver, carbon spokes with nipples

Any changes I should consider and is it worth going Carbon spokes vs Pillar 1420 spokes?

I can't work out how the maths works out there.

Carbon spokes are c.2.6g and pillar aero are c.4.5g.

With 20h vs 24h there should be at least 90-100g difference?

Quote from: wintermute on February 16, 2025, 05:38:47 AM
I can't work out how the maths works out there.

Carbon spokes are c.2.6g and pillar aero are c.4.5g.

With 20h vs 24h there should be at least 90-100g difference?

I don't know tbh. But I think I have found out it's not even worth going carbon spokes. Easier to maintain the alu spokes I guess

Because the 21 carbon spoke hubs are heavy as shit

Apparently light enough to have a sub 1200g wheelset

Quote from: toxin on February 16, 2025, 07:57:39 AM
Because the 21 carbon spoke hubs are heavy as shit

Really? Haha, 325g/pair on our 21/21H hubs, but still much lighter than DT Swiss hubs for carbon spokes, we don't use original DT Swiss hubs for carbon spokes, actually DT Swiss decided to make those hubs to supply to STREN who makes VONOA carbon spokes for many big brands, but firstly DT Swiss was too uncompromising on the price, secondly some brands don't want to use DT Swiss hubs for carbon spokes as well, so I believe you won't see current DT Swiss hubs for carbon spokes much longer.

Anyway, stable quality are most important, as I said when we released our 20/20H hubs for carbon spokes, we don't make them extremely light as some other companies do due to much higher spoke tension on carbon spokes. @Toxin, Have you seen anyone complaining about our 21/21H hubs except side entry so far? Maybe you are picky on weight of any part of bikes, but please don't say bad words on anything you haven't tried personally.