FM1002 / FM1166 - 150mm frame

[impmonkey]

I hope you realize that that is just the upper bearing set.  You need to order a lower one to complete the set.

Since I don't want internal routing through the headset, I ordered this FSA headset for my new frame.

https://www.fsaproshop.com/products/no-55r-1-5-558

I ordered the regular headset through carbonda. I'm aware that this is just the upper. I have not ordered this one yet, but kicking around the idea. Would use the bottom from Carbonda and possibly this upper if I'm doing the through headset routing. Also got the frame plugs from Carbonda Incase I decide to go this route.

[casual_build]

500 for this frame seems like a steal, I'm jealous of you both.

For 29er fork options, look at the axle to crown measurement, not the travel.  I have 170mm Lyrik and that puts my head angle at 64.1 degrees. If I had a 170mm Zeb I would be closer to ~63.6 degrees.

Did someone have an issue fitting an FSA headset?

Ritchey makes a headset that fits too, I've been using the Ritchey upper and Carbonda lower with no problems

[Tijoe]

Did someone have an issue fitting an FSA headset?

Ritchey makes a headset that fits too, I've been using the Ritchey upper and Carbonda lower with no problems

My FSA headset arrived a couple days ago and I did a fit check.  It fits perfectly.  No visible gaps or rubbing.

This being stated,  FSA uses 52 x 40 x 8mm angular contact bearings with 36 and 45 degree angles.   This means one has to use matching FSA fork crown and upper compression ring.

Searching spare bearings on Aliexpress, I find that 52 x 40 x 7mm with 45 by 45 contact angles is the most common (P16) bearing.
Less common, but still readily available, are 52 x 40 x 8mm with 45 by 45 contact angles  (P16-8 bearings).
I have not found any 52 x 40 x 8mm with 36 by 45 contact angles for sale on Aliexpress.  Implies that I will have to pay a premium to get replacements, if I ever have to replace the FSA bearings.

Ritchie upper uses a 52 x 40 x 8mm bearing with 45 by 45 contact angles.

[ghiabici]

I ordered a regular headset with Carbonda, but interested in trying the in headset routing also. I did it in my last gravel bike and didn't really mind the extra headache.
Any reason this wouldn't work?

It'll work, but most of these aren't rated for MTB use. As in they aren't rated to withstand the forces and shocks when you case them or go full send down a rock garden.

So you may be ok depending on your riding.

[Tijoe]

My Brother offered $480 for one of the E-bay listed "Framed" frames and they accepted.

If anyone is still in the market for this frame, I'd recommend making an offer of $470. 

[Tijoe]

As the expression goes:  Houston we have a problem.  Perhaps someone with a built bike can take some measurements for me.  I started fit checking parts to the "Framed" frame and discovered that my Wheeltop EDS rear derailleur will not fit onto the UDS hanger.   It appears that the frame has a lot of material below the axle center-line and the EDS has a lot more material around the top of the mounting bolt.  (XT 12 speed cable derailleur fits with very little frame clearance.)

1.  Can someone send a pic of their frame to see if the Carbonda or Flybike has the same amount of material around the rear hanger.  Wondering if the Framed is different.
2.  Has any one seen, or aware of a UDH that has more than the standard 30mm between the axle and der. hanger hole.
3. I really hate grinding and what it does to frame or parts strength.

-I don't want to have to section a hanger and weld in a spacer.  It would work but may change the shift quality some because the derailleur will sits lower than normal.

[impmonkey]

It'll work, but most of these aren't rated for MTB use. As in they aren't rated to withstand the forces and shocks when you case them or go full send down a rock garden.

So you may be ok depending on your riding.

Didn't even consider this.
Good thinking.

[impmonkey]

-I don't want to have to section a hanger and weld in a spacer.  It would work but may change the shift quality some because the derailleur will sits lower than normal.

I'll test fit some I have here tomorrow and see how that goes.
I am thinking about going gx transmission, wondering if this would be an issue. Would hate to get it and have it not fit.....

[zilcho]

I'll test fit some I have here tomorrow and see how that goes.
I am thinking about going gx transmission, wondering if this would be an issue. Would hate to get it and have it not fit.....

The transmission derailleurs fit around the entire axle/hanger point, no reason to think that this would be an issue for them.

[zilcho]

Didn't even consider this.
Good thinking.

This is not good thinking. There is nothing about the internal headset routing that would cause the front end to be weaker. The fork is held in place with the exact same amount of material, the differences are in the c-clip for internal cable pass through and the top cap, neither of which is structural. The internal routing is offered as an option on the 909, 1001, and 1002 frames with no issues reported about front end failures.

edit: removed 1003 from list

[FullCarbonAlchemist]

This is not good thinking. There is nothing about the internal headset routing that would cause the front end to be weaker. The fork is held in place with the exact same amount of material, the differences are in the c-clip for internal cable pass through and the top cap, neither of which is structural. The internal routing is offered as an option on the 909, 1001, 1002 and 1003 frames with no issues reported about front end failures.

I don’t think the 1003 has this option since the headset has a 1” upper instead of 1.5/1.5 like the others you mentioned. It’s also a pressed in ZS headset so the cups don’t really leave any space for cables, though maybe there’s an internal routing ZS tapered headset I’m not aware of with cutouts in the cups or something….

[zilcho]

I don’t think the 1003 has this option since the headset has a 1” upper instead of 1.5/1.5 like the others you mentioned. It’s also a pressed in ZS headset so the cups don’t really leave any space for cables, though maybe there’s an internal routing ZS tapered headset I’m not aware of with cutouts in the cups or something….

Removed 1003 from the list, the point still stands though. There is nothing to suggest that through headset cable routing makes for a weaker front end that isn't suitable for mountain biking.

[impmonkey]

Removed 1003 from the list, the point still stands though. There is nothing to suggest that through headset cable routing makes for a weaker front end that isn't suitable for mountain biking.

It think he was referring more to the construction of the headset itself. For instance the one I linked looks to be made of a composite. The main concern I would think would be the compression ring that shrinks the 1.5 bearing down to fit the fork.

[impmonkey]

Making some progress while I wait for some parts to deliver and others to go on sale on BF.

Covered up the ugly yellow with some satin black vinyl
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Mounted the DPX2, fresh take off of a Spec. Enduro.

[Tijoe]

What vinyl did you use and where did you source is.    I am gathering parts for my FRAMED Frame.   
What 205 X 60 shock are you going to use?   
What fork?  150 or 160 travel?     I don't mind the top logo on the frame. It looks OK to me.   

I plan on using a Wheeltop EDS derailleur.  I might have already posted that it doesn't fit!!  The UHD is too short relative to the mass and width of rear triangle, and the amount of material around the EDS mounting boss.   I have already cut the frame to make the derailleur fit, and will back fill the opening with a carbon fiber sheet/epoxy resin.