Author Topic: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame  (Read 86366 times)

Nkearb

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #465 on: October 16, 2024, 02:42:27 PM »
Well that's a bummer. Why they do that... :-\

The seat clamp also slips, so as you ride the seat angle will begin to shift around. No replacing that and if you ask Velo build they will ghost you.

Takiyaki

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #466 on: October 16, 2024, 03:22:17 PM »
Well that's a bummer. Why they do that... :-\
Its a mystery

This is why, for now at least, I only buy frames with round seatposts.

Serge_K

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #467 on: October 17, 2024, 03:53:13 AM »
Well that's a bummer. Why they do that... :-\

Design and aerodynamics.
A round tube is less aerodynamic than a tear drop shaped object.
And tube shapes matter from a design standpoint: you can spot a pinarello from far away because it's got distinct tube shapes.
Neither of these elements negates the fact that round seat tubes have their own advantages.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Speedyvelo

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #468 on: October 18, 2024, 07:20:33 PM »
The new frame VR-R-268 is a product of the present trend in pro bike racing.

So here few points.

#1. Aerodynamics is the major element that pro racer looks for. The pro riders know their CdA and how to decrease it.
The more aero you are the faster you go for the same power.

#2 CdA is the quantitative measurement of aerodynamic drag.  The "A" is the frontal area of both the rider and the bike presented to the wind in the direction you travel. You can decrease the  "riders part" of the A by being on the drops instead of seating up. VB has paid a lot of attention to this part.

#3 Cd is the coefficient of drag. For example if you place a flat disk in a wind tunnel and make the A=1 the surface area will be 1 but the force the wind actually exert on the disk is a little higher let's say 1.15. So the CdA will be 1 x 1.15= 1.15. Now instead of flat disk, place cone with the tip forward and a front area the same A=1, but now the coefficient of drag will be far lower so the total CdA will be far lower (that is the reason why bullets for example are not flat at the front). Here VB has done a superb job in decreasing the Cd.

#4 VB aerobike like  the VR-R-268 is aimed at decreasing the Cd even if in some cases you may have a little weight penalty. Lower seat stays with a flat top, aero seat-post, kamm tail the downtube and a very nice combination of the seat-tube and rear wheel-tires to make the air flow smooth. The seat-post in the present bikes is more exposed comparing with years past so an aero seat-post is a must. VB has done a great job here.

5. The rider also has a "A" and "Cd". The "A" is obvious the more down the rider is the smaller the "A" but the "Cd" is not as clear, racer used to adopt the "puppy paws" position (which now is ban)etc.  The point here is that the position on the bike has changed and VB has done everything possible to allow this change. The seat is more forward as much as you can without braking the UCI rules "The tip of the saddle shall be a minimum of 50 mm to the rear of a vertical plane passing through the bottom bracket spindle." This forward position allow to open the leg body angle so you do not hit your body when you pedal. VB zero-offset seat-post goes along with this trend. Also rider use short saddles to go around this rule.

6. Along with #5 the back is flat and when racers place hand on the hood but keep the forearms flat (the most aero position) it is important than the angle between arms and forearms is 90 degrees or less so the distance between between brake hood and saddle is smaller than in the past, so you want a short top tube. To accomplish this aspect, pro racers are choosing smaller bikes than before. VB has a small frame and a 9 cm stem as the smallest. VB is ok here, even it could have offered an 8cm stem.

7. Components are also part of this trend. Cranks are shorter that were in the past, for example Tadej (176 cm) is using a 165 mm crank, Filippo Ganna (193 cm) iirc use a 170 crank for the hour record, MVP (184 cm) is in 172.5. The smaller cranks offer aero advantage, and also you are working in the area where mechanically you are stronger. Of course you need gears that you can spin. VB is compatible with all the component manufactures.

6. In pro racing mixing areas with good asphalt with unpaved or gravel road are becoming very common. Having a frame that accepts different width tires is important so you do not need to have a different bike for each terrain. VB has done a great job here allowing as to use tires up to 32. Many other frame manufactures have aero bike but basically designed around the 28 mm now standard in road racing. With this VB frame you can have 2 sets of wheels like a road with 28mm tire and wider rim wheel with a 32 mm gravel tire and if you want to do some rough single track gravel you just change the wheel.

7. Aerodynamics are important in flat terrain but also during climbing when you have a head wind, or the grade is not very steep, having you body down help, you can feel it on your legs and also if you have the correct setup, you may see the CdA not increasing. Few of the pro's climb with the forearm flat on the top of the handlebar.

7. The only part the VB has not touch for aerodynamics is the flared handlebars. The UCI set also rules there and a small flare would be OK. This rules changed in Jan 2024 included the brake levers angles and it may change again.

In summary VB offers a high quality frame with almost all the features that are trending in pro racing, before I got it I look around and I could not find one that I could place a check mark in each of the features I wanted with the exception of VB-R 264.

I have been trying to explain why the the VB-R-268 is my choice. VB has many frames with different features and for many of us may be better. I have more than a month since I start to ride, which I do everyday, in different terrains, with a 28 tire you can do most of the gravel. Sometime next year I will get a "gravel" wheel to do single track.

Chris has been great with fast replies to all my questions, so to have a good online service is also important part of the frame. I am very happy with this bike.

Note: I got and extra seat-post and seat-post clamp when I placed the order for the frame, I like to have them as spare and the price was very reasonable.  The seat-post seem very solid and very nicely made so most likely I will never need them.

some guy

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #469 on: October 19, 2024, 03:59:46 AM »
can someone tell me how high the headset cover is that ships with the 268?

Speedyvelo

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #470 on: October 20, 2024, 06:28:47 PM »
can someone tell me how high the headset cover is that ships with the 268?

If you are referring to the top cup cover it is easy, I can remove it and measure it. If on the other hand you are talking about the to headset cover, it is not easy in these frames with integrated cables. Measuring "without removing" it is about 1.5 cm.

Retinal

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #471 on: October 22, 2024, 05:59:41 AM »
Hello, I ordered my VB-R268 end of september and the frame is still to be picked up by DPD. It‘s already been a week since I got the package tracking info.
Nevertheless I‘m very excited for the frame to arrive after everything I‘ve read so far on the forum. Can somebody tell me if the provided spacers are of an upgraded breakaway type, as seen on the new road bikes from Canyon, so that one can easily adjust the effective stack of the bike.
If not, do you know of any .stl files out there, so that I can 3D-print them myself?

hazzer19

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #472 on: October 22, 2024, 10:35:36 AM »
Hello, I ordered my VB-R268 end of september and the frame is still to be picked up by DPD. It‘s already been a week since I got the package tracking info.
Nevertheless I‘m very excited for the frame to arrive after everything I‘ve read so far on the forum. Can somebody tell me if the provided spacers are of an upgraded breakaway type, as seen on the new road bikes from Canyon, so that one can easily adjust the effective stack of the bike.
If not, do you know of any .stl files out there, so that I can 3D-print them myself?


Yes they look like the ones in the last photo on the page below and come in a few different sizes so you can use one or combine them.
https://www.velobuild.com/products/carbon-fiber-road-bike-integrated-handlebar-with-spacers-for-hidden-cables-routing

Speedyvelo

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #473 on: October 23, 2024, 02:27:04 PM »

Yes they look like the ones in the last photo on the page below and come in a few different sizes so you can use one or combine them.
https://www.velobuild.com/products/carbon-fiber-road-bike-integrated-handlebar-with-spacers-for-hidden-cables-routing

Also, they are of excellent quality made from aluminum.

Speedyvelo

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #474 on: October 26, 2024, 06:23:46 PM »

Yes they look like the ones in the last photo on the page below and come in a few different sizes so you can use one or combine them.
https://www.velobuild.com/products/carbon-fiber-road-bike-integrated-handlebar-with-spacers-for-hidden-cables-routing

I do not know if you are familiar with integrated cables but if they are integrated it is very hard if not impossible to change the height of the stack without redoing the hydraulic cables which in pro hands takes about 4 hours.

 A tip that I did not know when I setup my frame is that if you ride on rough roads you may hear the rattling of the hydraulic cables against the frame mainly the downtube. You can find an internal damper house foam sleeve, jagwire makes one, I believe were the first to come up with this gadget. I already bough them, so when the winter hits hard I plan to do it. I'm an old fashion and I ride with nothing in my ears so I can heard what ever is around me.

volan

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #475 on: October 27, 2024, 04:31:17 AM »
After riding only mtb bikes for 5y now, and beliving I wouldn't dare ride a road bike... I couldn't resist the urge.

Pulled the trigger on vb268, icebreak red color, 56 size. I was inspired by all your builds here, and am aware of some reoccuring issues (slipping seatpost, mavic TA's, loose headsets), but I'm confident in my bike repair skills and dozen of builds from ground up. Btw, spare seatpost cost is funny, 30 bucks. I asked Chris and he told me just to put "carbon seatpost" in the basket and they'll send the one for 268. That's nice, since it's pretty cheap. Sizing was somewhat a problem since I don't really know roadie geocharts. But I was following Pat Lino since I'm his size, 1cm taller. Only thing I am noticing in geo charts is this:

Tarmac has higher stack in the recommended size (L) than 268, and not by a small amount. Propel is on the same track as well. Reach I managed with 420x110mm integrated bar (I think so?), but am wondering if the stem spacers will be enough to highten the stack, if it be too low for me.

If someone here, of all you good people, could give me some guidance on this, I'd be gratefull.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2024, 04:48:06 AM by volan »

Serge_K

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #476 on: October 27, 2024, 08:02:11 AM »
Height is one thing, but leg length is very important. And ape index (whether your arms are longer than your height). I think lino said he has short legs.
I rode bikes that were too big for me for years because I'm 184, but my saddle height is 81cm (long legs), and so, short torso, so short top tube. I do have a positive ape index so I can fit myself on large bikes, but I'm much more comfortable on medium ones.
There's also a question of flexibility, if you're nimble, you can hinge at the hips more, and fit yourself easier on a bike.
If you're starting with no road geometry info, you may want to consider an alu bar and alu stem (cost virtually nothing) to find the right coordinates, then buy the right cockpit. 42cm is badly outdated in width, I've been riding 36cm bars all season and I'm never going back.
I went from 36*80 to 36*100 over the summer. And I may have cut my steerer 1cm too short...
Also, as you ride more, your body will adapt, so day one position will differ from day 90 position.
In your shoes, I'd run alu bar and stem and external routing as much as possible to make changes easy, then after months, get the right cockpit. And don't cut the steerer too soon. The extra 2cm in the stem makes me want to have the cockpit higher for ideal aero position, and I cut it too soon. Vanity.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

volan

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #477 on: October 27, 2024, 08:40:34 AM »
Height is one thing, but leg length is very important. And ape index (whether your arms are longer than your height). I think lino said he has short legs.
I rode bikes that were too big for me for years because I'm 184, but my saddle height is 81cm (long legs), and so, short torso, so short top tube. I do have a positive ape index so I can fit myself on large bikes, but I'm much more comfortable on medium ones.
There's also a question of flexibility, if you're nimble, you can hinge at the hips more, and fit yourself easier on a bike.
If you're starting with no road geometry info, you may want to consider an alu bar and alu stem (cost virtually nothing) to find the right coordinates, then buy the right cockpit. 42cm is badly outdated in width, I've been riding 36cm bars all season and I'm never going back.
I went from 36*80 to 36*100 over the summer. And I may have cut my steerer 1cm too short...
Also, as you ride more, your body will adapt, so day one position will differ from day 90 position.
In your shoes, I'd run alu bar and stem and external routing as much as possible to make changes easy, then after months, get the right cockpit. And don't cut the steerer too soon. The extra 2cm in the stem makes me want to have the cockpit higher for ideal aero position, and I cut it too soon. Vanity.

Thanks Serge, I've learned alot reading your posts here! And this one is a nice lesson as well. I could really do like you advised, buy some cheap alu bar-stem and try it out. But still I need to choose bar-stem from VB. I was wondering if 42cm is too wide, and I could contsct Chris to change it to 400-100, or 40-110. Not sure.

Also, since you are 184 as I am, do you think L sized 268 could be too small for me?

Serge_K

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #478 on: October 27, 2024, 10:18:47 AM »
Thanks Serge, I've learned alot reading your posts here! And this one is a nice lesson as well. I could really do like you advised, buy some cheap alu bar-stem and try it out. But still I need to choose bar-stem from VB. I was wondering if 42cm is too wide, and I could contsct Chris to change it to 400-100, or 40-110. Not sure.

Also, since you are 184 as I am, do you think L sized 268 could be too small for me?

Happy to help. There's almost no chance L would be too small. The danger is that it's too big. I'd get a medium in that frame myself. If 36 sounds scary, if you can, change to 38. Max 40. It's free speed, really. You can check BMC, they now ship 36cm cockpits with all their expensive road bikes. That's it.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

pandinoyoung

Re: VeloBuild VB-R-268 frame
« Reply #479 on: October 27, 2024, 11:44:37 AM »
well, I'm also 181cm tall and the saddle height is 82cm, I also have long legs and a short torso, but I've never gone down from a size XL, except for a look 595 15 years ago, which I bought in size L.
medium size would be impossible for me and also for a professional cyclist. you would have a difference in height of 15/17 cm saddle / handlebars.
unless you put 6/7cm of spacers on the handlebars.
terrible