Author Topic: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i  (Read 3386 times)

Ossip

Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« on: January 21, 2024, 02:52:16 AM »
Hi Guys,

planning to build a new gravel bike, wich i also can use as beach racer with 2.35inch tyres
for now the only bike wich is cappable of that should be the 3T exploro Racemax.

do you guys know frames with such a huge tyreclearance?

Greetings Ossip



kisuke3

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2024, 07:43:21 AM »
Hi.
I recently built a frame that can install 29x2.4 tires. I couldn't find it in a carbon frame so I built it in titanium. Boost standard + BB shell width is 73mm.

I usually use it for forest road riding and plan to use it for beach racing!
For your information.

mirphak

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2024, 08:13:16 AM »
Why not using a 29er + carbon fork with short reach and kinda-outdated geometry? (They usually come with 70-ish degree steerer, which may be suited for the task).

E.g. lexon reverse.

Ossip

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2024, 08:30:05 AM »
It is possible, but I prefer a gravel bike for Geo and Aero.

but i will take a look in to Lexon
thanks

mirphak

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2024, 09:37:32 AM »
The geometry of something like you want would be something really similar to what already exists in the 29er department. Chainstay will be longer like in a 29er and so. If anything, you could play a bit with reach (which in modern gravel frames is rapidly approaching that of a 2015-2020 29er), a bit lower stack (you can just run a slammed stem with maybe even more negative -17 deg angle to achieve that).

I don't know, that is what I would honestly do. You can just save yourself a lot of headaches. And particularly if running shimano you can just use PM mtb calipers and they should work just fine with the grx brifters.

Deem

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2025, 07:09:32 AM »
Hi Guys,

planning to build a new gravel bike, wich i also can use as beach racer with 2.35inch tyres
for now the only bike wich is cappable of that should be the 3T exploro Racemax.

do you guys know frames with such a huge tyreclearance?

Greetings Ossip

I've just finished building a beachracer for beachracing with a 29er.  :)
- Frame: TanTan (Seraph) FM199 29ER*2.35Tire. Flared handlebar, seatpost and stem are also from TanTan.
- Control levers GRX ST-RX820 1x12s
- Flat mount brake calipersGRX RX820  (front Post Mount to Flat Mount adapter)
- Frontring 48t Narrow-wide (0 offset) with 10-45 (1x12speed) (https://www.themechanic-parts.com/)
- Rear derailleur GRX RX820 12s
- Crank XT 165mm
- Carbon rims: 40mm and 36mm (Elavo Carbon Ali) with Dt Swiss hubs and Sapim spokes (Spoke the carbon rims myself) 8)
- Tyres: 60mm Schwalbe G-One Speed Evolution 60-622 and VITTORIA Tattoo II 29x2.3
Total weight 9,2kg

For a picture see:
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,51.msg74462.html#msg74462
« Last Edit: March 17, 2025, 03:26:49 AM by Deem »

Scott1234

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2025, 06:31:56 PM »
The 3T Exploro you mentioned clears all of 42mm.

Your question makes no sense. Gravel bikes are designed to keep Q factor (distance between pedals) relatively narrow to support long days of pedalling. This means bikes that max out at 50mm tire clearance.

Bikes with more clearance such as the Salsa Cutthroat aren't really gravel bikes. They use MTB crankset, bottom bracket, wheels, etc.

Go in the MTO forum and figure out a drop bar setup.

Axiomatik

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2025, 08:47:32 PM »
I'm interested in building something like this as well. Lauf Seigla fits the bill!

Asco

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2025, 08:44:22 AM »
The 3T Exploro you mentioned clears all of 42mm.

Your question makes no sense. Gravel bikes are designed to keep Q factor (distance between pedals) relatively narrow to support long days of pedalling. This means bikes that max out at 50mm tire clearance.

Bikes with more clearance such as the Salsa Cutthroat aren't really gravel bikes. They use MTB crankset, bottom bracket, wheels, etc.

Go in the MTO forum and figure out a drop bar setup.

He obviously meant the 3T Extrema, but there are tons of other gravel bikes with >50mm clearance. Among the cheaper frames, Peak Torque managed to fit 2.35" Hans Dampf front and Racing Ralph rear on his Yoeleo G21.

00Garza

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2025, 10:38:12 AM »
Flyxii FE-02 clears up to 700 x 52 or 27.5 x 2.1 That seems about the limit for most true gravel frames.

Serge_K

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2025, 12:47:36 PM »
The 3T Exploro you mentioned clears all of 42mm.

Your question makes no sense. Gravel bikes are designed to keep Q factor (distance between pedals) relatively narrow to support long days of pedalling. This means bikes that max out at 50mm tire clearance.

Bikes with more clearance such as the Salsa Cutthroat aren't really gravel bikes. They use MTB crankset, bottom bracket, wheels, etc.

Go in the MTO forum and figure out a drop bar setup.

Would you consider being polite?
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Scott1234

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2025, 07:10:46 PM »
He obviously meant the 3T Extrema, but there are tons of other gravel bikes with >50mm clearance. Among the cheaper frames, Peak Torque managed to fit 2.35" Hans Dampf front and Racing Ralph rear on his Yoeleo G21.

The 3T Extrema uses Sram dub wide. More of a one-off frame. Maybe a similar frame could be made by Chinese manufacturers, but it's basically introducing a whole new bike category between gravel and mountain bike. Buying parts would be frustrating since "gravel crankset" and the thousands of results, don't fit.

The Yoeleo G21 only clears 53mm tires and has interference issues between chainrings and the frame, leading to buyer frustration. I did a quick search for Peak Torque, good channel, and when he tried to fit his crankset on and it didn't fit, he called the frame "dogshit". Yes he came around to liking it, after getting it to work.

Gravel bikes are based on road bikes, so 700c tires will max out around 50mm. There's a whole question whether we should all support more one-offs like Sram Dub Wide, to give us more preceisely what we want, or stick to established standards.

It's an interesting discussion because rather than Sram Dub Wide, mountain bikes are just a bit wider than gravel, so are a good component set, and actually cheaper than gravel parts. So what we want is mtb frames to adopt a more traditional triangle shape and rider position used by gravel bikes. Which is what the Salsa Cutthroat does, and a lot of steel touring bikes too.

While that is nice, for most gravel bikes, manufacturers have been keeping gravel bikes frames oriented to gravel bike parts, on the basis that they both fall under 'road' category. Paved road and gravel road. But also, sticking to road standards is sneaky as parts cost more and make more profit. For example, the invention of GRX. Or how gravel bikes don't use post mount brakes, when they worked fine. But requiring new 'gravel and road' flat mount, allows Shimano and others to use the exact same parts but charge more money, for a smaller niche market. More profit, for awhile, until the Aliexpress companies catch up and make parts that are just as good for less money.

That said, I could have been more polite, true @serge_K. Sorry. If you want to run wide tires, get one of these frames that clear 50mm, and fit a set of 650b wheels. Then pay attention to tire size and research some wider tires in the 2.2-2.4" range that are a bit taller than wide, and you're good to go. The bikes look awesome configured this way too.

Axiomatik

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2025, 08:31:17 AM »
The 3T Extrema uses Sram dub wide. More of a one-off frame. Maybe a similar frame could be made by Chinese manufacturers, but it's basically introducing a whole new bike category between gravel and mountain bike. Buying parts would be frustrating since "gravel crankset" and the thousands of results, don't fit.

The Yoeleo G21 only clears 53mm tires and has interference issues between chainrings and the frame, leading to buyer frustration. I did a quick search for Peak Torque, good channel, and when he tried to fit his crankset on and it didn't fit, he called the frame "dogshit". Yes he came around to liking it, after getting it to work.

Gravel bikes are based on road bikes, so 700c tires will max out around 50mm. There's a whole question whether we should all support more one-offs like Sram Dub Wide, to give us more preceisely what we want, or stick to established standards.

It's an interesting discussion because rather than Sram Dub Wide, mountain bikes are just a bit wider than gravel, so are a good component set, and actually cheaper than gravel parts. So what we want is mtb frames to adopt a more traditional triangle shape and rider position used by gravel bikes. Which is what the Salsa Cutthroat does, and a lot of steel touring bikes too.

While that is nice, for most gravel bikes, manufacturers have been keeping gravel bikes frames oriented to gravel bike parts, on the basis that they both fall under 'road' category. Paved road and gravel road. But also, sticking to road standards is sneaky as parts cost more and make more profit. For example, the invention of GRX. Or how gravel bikes don't use post mount brakes, when they worked fine. But requiring new 'gravel and road' flat mount, allows Shimano and others to use the exact same parts but charge more money, for a smaller niche market. More profit, for awhile, until the Aliexpress companies catch up and make parts that are just as good for less money.

That said, I could have been more polite, true @serge_K. Sorry. If you want to run wide tires, get one of these frames that clear 50mm, and fit a set of 650b wheels. Then pay attention to tire size and research some wider tires in the 2.2-2.4" range that are a bit taller than wide, and you're good to go. The bikes look awesome configured this way too.

So would it make more sense to get a MTB frame, install drop bars and a rigid fork?

Scott1234

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2025, 10:21:34 AM »
So would it make more sense to get a MTB frame, install drop bars and a rigid fork?

This is starting to show up at some events, and could be a lot of fun to build and ride. But, comes with tradeoffs. They're not as aerodynamic as gravel bikes, both bike and rider position, so you will lose a lot of energy trying to hold a speed of 30 or 35km/h. But option of front or full suspension and truly wide tires 2.4" - could be huge fun too for singletrack or rough roads.

I think here in the gravel forum the best approach would be to pick a 50mm clearance frame from the list, and install 650b wheels per above. These bikes look aweseome too.

zilcho

Re: Looking for: Gravel bike big tyre clearance 60mm/2.35i
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2025, 10:26:50 AM »
So would it make more sense to get a MTB frame, install drop bars and a rigid fork?

I believe the geometry complicates this solution. A combination of less than ideal ST and HT angles, reach, boost rear axle, and Q-factor, maybe some other features as well. The few I've seen were geared towards bike packing, which could work, but anyone trying to make a modern MTB tire gravel bike seemed to be dissuaded. Modern hardtails and the most modern, cutting edge gravel frames are areas that Chinese manufacturers have not moved to, and honestly are pretty niche markets even in the West.