Workswell WCB-M-062

[cmh]

I have the Park Tools derailleur alignment tool, works very nicely.  Luckily I have not needed to use it since I built my last bike.  I'd bet it's a good idea to check your alignment on any new frame build.  The hanger is an easy thing to get bent even if there is no visible signs of damage.

This, very much this - my first 9 speed bike shifted like utter crap, could NOT get it to shift well, was actually considering switching back to 8 speed. Doing research on WTF was wrong I discovered the derailleur hanger adjustment. Got the DAG-2, found out it was wrong, fixed it, and that bike shifted like magic from then on.

Much more recently - this past weekend - while riding the Epic I kicked up a rock into the spokes, broke one spoke and dinged up another, but also bent the hanger. Had to adjust the shifting to keep riding, put the DAG to use again and everything's back to happy.

[lucasbira]

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It is valid for buy in China too?

[german88]

Getting ready to pull the trigger on the Sobato version of the WW062 on ebay here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Full-carbon-frame-29er-mtb-bike-frame-Orange-Black-15-5-17-5-18-5-20-size-cycle/172174028009?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36501%26meid%3D25f6d08be3e4441b871cc8a52389e619%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D172174028009

Read through several threads on the frame but still can't decide which bottom bracket to choose BB30 or GXP?  Planning to use SRAM XX1 1X11 group. 
Also not sure which Q factor on the crank 156 or 168.?

Thanks for any advise...

[Carbon_Dude]

For me it would not even be a question, BSA threaded bottom bracket, SRAM GXP XX1 carbon crank, Q-168.  That's what I have on both my 057 and 036 Chiners.  However, that's what I like, you may have your reasons for choosing different options.

[bxcc]

For me it would not even be a question, BSA threaded bottom bracket, SRAM GXP XX1 carbon crank, Q-168.  That's what I have on both my 057 and 036 Chiners.  However, that's what I like, you may have your reasons for choosing different options.

I agree 100%. I have this on all 3 bikes. Well not necessarily XX1 but 2 X0 cranks with direct mount rings and one Stylo 1.1 but all 3 are GXP. Zero issues and all 3 are cross compatible.

[german88]

Was leaning towards BSA so this confirms the choice!  Thanks.  I'll post up my build once everything is in hand.  Praying I don't run into shipping delays.  Lately it's been hit or miss on bike parts coming from China.  Sometimes it's here unbelievably fast and others it's 30 days.

[german88]

What's been ordered so far:

Sobato version M062 18.5" Orange/Black paint scheme off Ebay
SRAM XX1 groupset: RD, Crank 156Q - 175mm 32T, Team GXP BB, trigger shift, 10X42 cass.
SRAM Guide RSC brakes 160mm centerline rotors ft & rr.
Stans No Tubes ZTR Crest 28 hole ft 32 hole rr.
BHS MTB180 Ft 15mm thru / MTB270 RR 12X142 thru, XD driver.

On the list to order:
2017 Fox 32 step cast. Not for sale until mid June...

Seat ?  likely Prologo scratch 143 or my stanby Fizik Aliante Kium

Seatpost ? kind of wanting to see how much setback if any will be needed. I have a spare Ritchey WSC carbon or Fizik carbon both have close to 25mm setback.  If this proves to much then look for something with closer to zero.

Pedals ? Torn between Ritchey WSC Pardigm or something similar.

Bar stem.  Waiting to see what's required to achieve proper fit.  Hoping the stem will be in the 80-100mm range installed -6 rise.  15mm carbon riser 710-740mm bars. 

Still no word from Sobato about ship date.  Hope is goes out next week but with the custom paint I'm not holding my breath. 

[Carbon_Dude]

Should be a nice build.  Why did you choose Q-156 cranks instead of Q-168?  Do you think the frame will have enough clearance at the chainstays for not only the cranks but also for your shoes?

I did a demo ride on the new Scott Scale Plus with slightly wider stays and found the heals of my shoes would rub.  I believe the cranks were SRAM GX with a Q-factor of 169.

My 057 and 036 both have XX1 cranks Q-168 and I only have 5-6mm of clearance for my heals but all is good and they don't rub anything.  If I had gone with Q-156 cranks I would have less clearance, 3mm or so and probably would not have been happy with the smaller clearance.

[german88]

I should have thought of the heal clearance!!  Just contacted the place I ordered the group from and asked to change to 168.  Hasn't shipped yet so I think I'm in the clear.  Thanks for bringing that up.  Would have been a problem for me as my cleat position is heal in a few degrees on both sides. 

[Carbon_Dude]

Glad I could help.  Just wanted to confirm you know that the clearances are on the smaller side for many frames today.  Some people want the narrow crank spacing and can get away with doing so without issue, but if your heal is rubbing the frame, you won't be happy.  Like I said in my last post, I just demoed a bike where my heals rubbed the chain stays, that would be enough right there for me not to purchase a bike or frame that has no clearance for my shoes.

I just measured my 057 frame and it has about 13.5 mm clearance on each side at the chain stay with my Q-168 XX1 cranks, my -036 has about 14mm clearance with XX1 Q-168 cranks.  However, my new Trek Stache only has about 6mm on the side with the high chain stay, 13.5mm on the non-drive side with Q-169 GX cranks.  Lucky for me I'm not rubbing my heal on any of the frames.  Possibly because the clearance gets better by the time I get back to where my heal passes by the chain stay.

So it might be okay if you have less, just wanted to flag it for you.

[german88]

Yep, appreciate the effort.  Any thoughts on the best offset for the fork on this frame?  Fox offers 44 and 51mm versions in the 32 factory.

[Carbon_Dude]

I really couldn't say specifically for that frame, in general, 51mm might be a more stable at higher speeds while 44mm might be more nibble at lower speeds.

[bxcc]

I have the matching fork from Workswell / Sobato and I've been very pleased with the handling of the bike. It's short at 482mm and has the 45 degree offset. If you're not set on the new Fox fork, I have a new 2014 Sid I would let go for relatively cheap. I got it for my daughters bike then found a better suited Reba for cheaper. Now I'm debating about putting it on my 062 or sell it. Here is the Pinkbike link for anyone interested. That price is the PB price not the Chinertown price. 

http://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/1974831/

[Jar_head]

Well guys,

finished my bike yesterday! Derailleur hanger is fixed and "works well"
Weight as it is on the picture 8.77 kg = 19.33 lbs

[Carbon_Dude]

Looks sweet!  Very stealthy.