Author Topic: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?  (Read 207227 times)

Serge_K

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #945 on: May 13, 2025, 03:38:46 AM »
I'll be fully transparent and honest in here since Chinatown is my family now of 5 years  ;D

1. The Tarmac SL8 is the lightest most comfortable and crosswind-stable frame I've reviewed. Climbing on it is fantastic. The magic sauce that Specialized uses is tangible and real. I've done 6-7 hour rides on it and never really felt frame fatigue afterwards. But it's not super exciting to ride everyday, in how I subjectively quantify excitement. It's not exhilarating. It's comfy but lacks character. That doesn't mean it isn't fast. It's speedy for sure.

2. The SL8/SL7 are NPC bikes around here. Sure they are great on paper, but everyone has one. I don't care if more road feedback means marginally less rolling resistance. I like my frames to actually feel stiff because in my head that means "stomp on the pedals harder" It's why I owned two Allez Sprints and the latest Giant Propel. Stiff bikes are fun bikes. Stiff bikes feel fast. Cornering on a stiff bike is so freakin fun.

3. I only invested in the SL8 for the sake of benchmarking against other frames. Specialized fan boys (admittedly probably one myself) tell me all the time the SL8 is the one to beat, so I figured I'd put my money where my mouth is. And after 1 year of use, the frameset has served it's purpose. Same with my Propel. My YouTube channel's marginal success is predicated on constantly testing out new products. Similar to the independent car tuner channels. Legacy products don't bring in views because the audience is always expecting new projects.

4. The primary reason over everything above however is two-fold: Money and Philosophy. I can no longer afford to have several $6000-$8000 bikes lying around if they aren't getting used enough. Which is funny considering I ride 10,000mi/16,000km a year. So having an SL8 collecting dust because I don't love it is a terrible terrible financial decision. And finally, I realize I just don't "need" an expensive bike for my usage. I will continue to review Western-brands as time/budget allows. Although I suspect nothing will come close to the SL8 anytime soon. The new Scott Addict looks tasty. That's the only bike I'd invest my money into at the moment. I considered the Factor Ostro for a while but....meh.

Getting back into competitively riding my bikes in circles this season has been an eye-opener to what's important to me in a bike. I 100% feel like an idiot making that comment because I am very much still an amateur with both a forgettable FTP and skill level. I am not qualified to speak on crit racing. That said, my Tavelo Arow has been fantastic for the 11 or 12 crits I've done so far. Yes I was sent the frame. But my Yishun/LC R086D which I paid for is just as capable. Pushing bikes closer to (my) theoretical limits has taught me that both the OEM and mid-level Chinese brands are more than capable of producing great frames for their intended purposes. The resell value however is absolutely atrocious. If that's important to you...

I still would like to test an X68 just so I finally close the chapter on my SL8. I just think wheels, groupset, fitness/coach, and optimal position on the bike have played more of a critical role than the importance of the frame itself.

I feel like this isn't getting enough attention.

Do you plan to make a video about the decision? It'd also be interesting to have you chat on the Nero show about your thought process. Your choice is unique, not least in that you produce YT content and need reasons to make videos, but it still sounds like you might have sold the frame anyway because you already have other bikes that, at the end of the day, you feel like riding more. Ultimately, that's a big dent into Spec's special sauce vibe armor, and i really think a Nero show discussion would be very interesting, because on one hand, they're knee deep in chinese stuff, but on the other, Chris is still 100% invested in the idea of branded frames being a league above.
Timing would also work, given Jesse is experimenting with his own long ass stem, with your input.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Davidhe23

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #946 on: May 13, 2025, 06:22:38 AM »
I think they've changed details in the latest model they've posted on their Instagram.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #947 on: May 13, 2025, 06:30:12 AM »
I think they've changed details in the latest model they've posted on their Instagram.

What details exactly have they changed?
They have the new TT-X70 with UDH is this what your referring to?
Look like the X68 at the rear and obviously different up front.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2025, 06:33:38 AM by Sander2177 »
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build

X68 UD Gloss Bare Carbon 54cm
6.4kgs Current Estimate

Davidhe23

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #948 on: May 13, 2025, 07:37:22 AM »
Now the handlebars have the points just like the original rock, and the shift leg uses a different screw

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #949 on: May 13, 2025, 08:28:25 AM »
Now the handlebars have the points just like the original rock, and the shift leg uses a different screw

Different size Frames that gap in the back of the head tube where the top tube and down tube meets increases or decreases with frame size. same for SL8 genuine
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build

X68 UD Gloss Bare Carbon 54cm
6.4kgs Current Estimate

Davidhe23

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #950 on: May 13, 2025, 08:38:08 AM »
Both are size 54.

Tpower59

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #951 on: May 13, 2025, 08:48:49 AM »
Hum I hope they don’t get them delivered like this

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #952 on: May 13, 2025, 08:54:08 AM »
Both are size 54.
I would say they have just made an error potentially then.
I must be  blind looked at the instagram posts and there is no mention of sizes for the posts on these frames

Silver
https://www.instagram.com/p/DJVchmONq-8/

Black
https://www.instagram.com/p/DJdVN6PyfBd/?img_index=1
« Last Edit: May 13, 2025, 09:08:40 AM by Sander2177 »
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build

X68 UD Gloss Bare Carbon 54cm
6.4kgs Current Estimate

patliean1

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #953 on: May 13, 2025, 11:12:29 AM »
I feel like this isn't getting enough attention.

Do you plan to make a video about the decision? It'd also be interesting to have you chat on the Nero show about your thought process. Your choice is unique, not least in that you produce YT content and need reasons to make videos, but it still sounds like you might have sold the frame anyway because you already have other bikes that, at the end of the day, you feel like riding more. Ultimately, that's a big dent into Spec's special sauce vibe armor, and i really think a Nero show discussion would be very interesting, because on one hand, they're knee deep in chinese stuff, but on the other, Chris is still 100% invested in the idea of branded frames being a league above.
Timing would also work, given Jesse is experimenting with his own long ass stem, with your input.

I feel as if I've beaten this discussion to death in my head. To the point it comes across like some sort of moral soapbox. Basically I've summarized my thought process across a few recent videos, particularly in my latest Tavelo Arow video.

One thing I would like to mention is I've realized how important brand cache is around here where I live. And the perceived trust/quality associated with big brands. We can argue all day on the internet as to why OEM wheels/frames present a fantastic value. But you should see the look on the faces of local riders when I recommend any other Chinese brand except Winspace, FarSports, and No.6

Let's be honest too: If I'm a pro team who is approached by Tavelo / No.6 Wheels / Yoeleo / Winspace with an offer I can't refuse...it's an easy decision. Brand awareness cost money. Yet I would not be surprised if OEM brands started artificially inflating their prices if more and more consumers jumped on the bandwagon. Yishun/LC immediately did this when I uploaded my review of the R086-D frame. Double edged sword.

TegStone

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #954 on: May 14, 2025, 12:48:47 AM »
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Yet I would not be surprised if OEM brands started artificially inflating their prices if more and more consumers jumped on the bandwagon. Yishun/LC immediately did this when I uploaded my review of the R086-D frame. Double edged sword.

Even TanTan/Seraph has increased the prices slightly for their TT-X68 frame and full builds. Their complete build was USD 2399, now it is USD 2539. The painted frames were USD 719, now some of them are USD 775(https://www.seraphbikes.com/Special-Red-Paint-Superlight-Disc-Road-Bike-Frame-TT-X68-BSA-Bottom-Bracket-Max-Tire-70032C-With-Integrated-Handlebar-p6397145.html), while some others are USD 729.

I can imagine the prices spiking once someone like you, Patrick, makes a video on them.

neobiker

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #955 on: May 14, 2025, 01:08:53 AM »
Maybe the USD lost 5% of its value since tariff and manufacturer are just transferring the FX rate?

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #956 on: May 14, 2025, 02:53:06 AM »
Even TanTan/Seraph has increased the prices slightly for their TT-X68 frame and full builds. Their complete build was USD 2399, now it is USD 2539. The painted frames were USD 719, now some of them are USD 775(https://www.seraphbikes.com/Special-Red-Paint-Superlight-Disc-Road-Bike-Frame-TT-X68-BSA-Bottom-Bracket-Max-Tire-70032C-With-Integrated-Handlebar-p6397145.html), while some others are USD 729.

I can imagine the prices spiking once someone like you, Patrick, makes a video on them.

When I ordered the black frame UD Gloss cheapest option at $589usd and the headset and thru axles were another $20usd $609usd, so its now  $629 on the Seraph site only $20.
From what I gather they have increased paint prices quite a bit.
Frame is being delivered today ordered the 1st of April.
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build

X68 UD Gloss Bare Carbon 54cm
6.4kgs Current Estimate

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #957 on: May 14, 2025, 12:55:54 PM »
Ok the bloody thing has finally arrived!
A few photos sorry there not more organised but did not have much time this evening.
Comments it looks exactly the  same.
Head tube is not taller before anyone asks its the way I’m holding the phone. 
Roval bar I need to look at it’s not 100% no groove for head cap to sit onto for a nice flat transition and no textured surface on top.
The tops look wider where the stem meets but have to get the calipers on it.
Waiting for some new scales
But frame was 798g no hardware
Forks uncut 399g
But will check with better quality scales when they arrive
First impression well I could have saved £5000k!!
« Last Edit: May 14, 2025, 12:59:14 PM by Sander2177 »
SL8 Custom Green Over Naked Carbon 54CM 6.11kgs RhinosWorkShop Build

X68 UD Gloss Bare Carbon 54cm
6.4kgs Current Estimate

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #958 on: May 14, 2025, 01:10:17 PM »
I don't think that the current production Rapide's have the textured tops. I think you're correct though about the topcap, maybe could be fixed with a little file...

Serge_K

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #959 on: May 14, 2025, 01:23:51 PM »
Ok the bloody thing has finally arrived!
A few photos sorry there not more organised but did not have much time this evening.
Comments it looks exactly the  same.
Head tube is not taller before anyone asks its the way I’m holding the phone. 
Roval bar I need to look at it’s not 100% no groove for head cap to sit onto for a nice flat transition and no textured surface on top.
The tops look wider where the stem meets but have to get the calipers on it.
Waiting for some new scales
But frame was 798g no hardware
Forks uncut 399g
But will check with better quality scales when they arrive
First impression well I could have saved £5000k!!

Very exciting :D
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.