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There might be some R&D costs that went into electronic group sets they are still trying to pay off, even if manufacturing should be cheaper than mechanical
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Purely because ppl are willing to pay more for electronic
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Cyclocross Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: (yet another) Gravel Bike Build
« Last post by ChrisB on May 14, 2024, 11:10:37 AM »
I build both TanTan GR29 and a Wind GT20 in the past with no issues, both bikes still working fine.
Built process was painless.

Here the GR29 thread:
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,3118.msg25125.html#msg25125

And here the GT20:
https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,4030.msg42760.html#msg42760

The Second bike you linked, the CWind GT30 is interesting especially since it is using T47 BB which is a good choice and leaves all crank options open. There might be different manufacturers / Distributors selling this frame under a different name. CWind is nice since they include all parts such as Headset and through axles, while at TanTan/Seraph make sure to order them matching to your frame separately.

BR Chris
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Little update, received pictures of the paint job of my frame. Sadly it apparently will take another 30 days until it arrives. But im happy how it turned out. Bought a gold KMC chain and brown leather bartape to go with it. Now i need to find a brown sadle to match it.

Nice colour.

What colour code is this?
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Road Bike Frames, Wheels & Components / Re: Tavelo Aero Frame
« Last post by Sakizashi on May 14, 2024, 10:45:12 AM »
Maybe "binning" occurs where Western re-branders like PP, Planet X, Vitus, Ribble, Ritte, probably Enve, et al get the frames on the better side of the QC bell curve?

Sorry what? Panda Podium is just a retailer and the current Ritte and Enve are bike brands with unique products. I don't think anything is being binned differently between Tavelo products let alone between open molds and Ritte or Enve bikes.

Has anyone even confirmed that this Tavelo is an open mold that you can buy through a different brand like the Attack was?

While I could believe binning is done during initial production runs to get new bikes out for race teams, this doesnt make sense as a general practice because it assumes that the QC would be good enough to sort the frames at a per frame level and that the factories would be willing to incur that cost on an ongoing basis.

On the other hand, I think its more surprising that XDS and Pardus have not tried to go more international given their involvement in the chinese olympic team efforts. That said, if a company goes big into road racing, I would bet on Farsports.
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...if they do get their act together, it will indeed be great. Should also open the doors to the "order a full custom bike from china straight to your door" market. Everything is in Xiamen, once their groups work, should be very doable to get someone to build you a bike, or at least most of it, the way Trek bikes arrive in shops, for eg (plenty of videos of Trek unboxing on YT).

Don't forget the market pressure on SRAM and Shimano to price their stuff more reasonably or at least offer lower-end electronic parts. Ocme economies of scale kick in, there's no reason why electronic parts should command such a premium price compared to mechanical groupsets. There's SO many small precise parts that need to fit and function perfectly in order for a 10-11-12 speed groupset to shift reliably, and do so over hundreds and thousands of miles of use. I can't wrap my head around why that is the cheaper option, other than it's tried and true, they have supply networks all in place, the design and engineering for manufacturing is all in place already, etc. etc. and momentum carries it all forward.
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Yeah I am not too concerned.  As a whole, the frame seems solid and strong.  One of my teammates had a Trek Boone that you could press the middle of the top tube and it would flex.  I think it is the nature of a wide tube diameter and a thin wall. 
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" To be light or not to be light "; That is the question

As long as it is resistant, doesn't break and my amateur level doesn't make it flex while pushing, whatever :). The lighter the better
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Do Western branded frames also Flex when they're considered lightweight?
" To be light or not to be light "; That is the question
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Nice colours! Now I am jeaolous u guys have such nice colours and I went to a "conservative" one.

hehe next time you know what to do. I build my previous bike 10 years ago with a chinese frame and used matt black. so this time i went for the opposite :D
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