Chinese Santa Cruz/AM831

[Cerps]

Is this it?

[Rat]

http://haidelibikes.com/product/showproduct.php?id=129

[Cerps]

I found it from the Miracle factory site. 

[gido]

OMG I hope this is real, xxl frame for me

[emu26]

I found it from the Miracle factory site.

Have you got a link?  This is all I can find.

http://www.miraclebikes.com/Product/index/id/42.html

[Cerps]

I found it from the Miracle factory site.

Have you got a link?  This is all I can find.

http://www.miraclebikes.com/Product/index/id/42.html

http://mira-factory.com/Product/detail/id/34.html        123456 to get in

[emu26]

Thanks Cerps, I won't ask how you found access to that site. 

Can't see where cable entry to the rear triangle is on those drawings but can see the exit points.

[scourge]

The drawings on that site look great. I would buy a bike that color even.

[scourge]

Strange that it says it's a 130mm frame. Right between the Tallboy and Hightower?

[ReverendRockRazor]

Strange that it says it's a 130mm frame. Right between the Tallboy and Hightower?

It says 130 in one place and 150 in another. I'm betting on 150.

[emu26]

Haidel has it 150 fork, 140 frame, Miracle has it 140 fork, 130 frame in the description but then further down lists it as 150mm.

[Rat]

I emailed Haideli. Haven't heard back yet from MiracleBikes or their Mira-Factory contact, which I assume are affiliated.

Haideli says the FS831 should be available end of November, with 19" first in production. No info on pricing as of yet.

Also, I noticed there's now an enduro frame posted on the Mira-Factory site, the FS830.

[Sowers711]

So awesome!!!! Thanks   

[emu26]

Also, I noticed there's now an enduro frame posted on the Mira-Factory site, the FS830.

Something is up with that geo chart. Reach, front centre and seat angle don't go through the centre of the BB but appear to go through the back of it, consequently all of those dimensions will be incorrect or not standard for comparison.

[Bos]

That Front end looks like a 3D print or some resin cast. The white inside the BB gives it away.

The rear end might be carbon. Maybe still in development?

My gut feel is Santacruz will shut this down very quickly.

They have no means to shut it down. Vpp patent is over. You can't patent Geo so what exactly will they go after them for?

Design registrations perhaps. I guess the Chinese feels nothing. But Since I'm in the market for something with more updated Geo and slightly more travel than my ICAN P8, I don't give a hoot either. They must just hurry up!
Will also be nice if they confirm geo numbers. Slightly alarming that they get it so wrong, but probably more a case of lost in translation.

Im a big fan of VPP bikes, so I'll wait for this.