Author Topic: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?  (Read 177004 times)

rasch

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #810 on: May 02, 2025, 01:58:53 PM »
The fork was fine on both sides when I started. When I approached the crossing it definitely felt like the left side snapped first under breaking. I took a "dive" and fell over the handlebar. I think the right arm cracked due to my weight going over the handlebar and having no support from the other side. I just had a look at the point where the hydraulic hose comes out of the fork and the material is not "bonded" but more separate layers. Anyway, I hope TanTan will find a good solution. The ride feel on this TT-X68 was very good.

Glad you're OK and props to you for keeping trust in riding this frame. I'd never be able to do  so... and you can see in my other comments that I privilege assistance quality above anything else. Of course this is likely an isolated case, but on a personal ground would look elsewhere :)

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #811 on: May 02, 2025, 02:09:24 PM »
Hmm, sounds like either the prepreg was contaminated or some other process failure...

Jouke

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #812 on: May 02, 2025, 03:16:13 PM »
Holy moly! Glad you are ok! That must have been very scary! Luckely you werent going 60kmh downhill!

This incident could have a big impact on the sales of this frame

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #813 on: May 02, 2025, 04:21:47 PM »
I've got a carbon cradle here, its a couple grams lighter, not sure if its worth the trouble. Are you going to use yokes instead of the alu top piece?
Have a couple extralight expanders here, know folks use them, but there must be a reason Specialized uses the overbuilt one, likely liability if a failure.
As to a manual, there's an early post here where someone was told to use the sl8 manual.


Yes plan to swap the cradle, yokes and bolts for Ti but will have a look into
It when I receive this.
Well there was one failure that done the rounds on the old SL7 so they made the change as the SL7 s compression ring was steel the SL8s is now plastic so think the likley hood is less likely
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BeR

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #814 on: May 02, 2025, 06:03:08 PM »
Let us know the answer of Tantan.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #815 on: May 03, 2025, 03:21:28 AM »
Nope, no bump and no crash. I really took good care of it and I've ridden it just for a bit under 150 km...

See below and resized ;) I remember it first cracked on the left above the caliper. The thickness of the material in this section is really thin...

Jeez!
That’s not good at all — but the main thing is you’re okay!
Like someone else said, it’ll be interesting to see how TanTan handles this and, just as importantly, what actually caused the carbon failure on the X68.
Definitely not a great situation for you, but hopefully it’s just an isolated incident
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Tom77

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #816 on: May 03, 2025, 05:05:16 AM »
Given the intransigent communication regarding delivery dates and issues on supply side, I'm assuming that tantan is not producing the frame in-house so they might be not fully aware of quality control situation.

Normally the snakes fork has to be analyzed by a quality technician or surveyor to estimate the risk for ruining production.

Just my 2 cents as an automotive engineer

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #817 on: May 03, 2025, 05:36:37 AM »
Given the intransigent communication regarding delivery dates and issues on supply side, I'm assuming that tantan is not producing the frame in-house so they might be not fully aware of quality control situation.

Normally the snakes fork has to be analyzed by a quality technician or surveyor to estimate the risk for ruining production.

Just my 2 cents as an automotive engineer

Appreciate your input — and that makes a lot of sense, especially given your background.
The lack of clarity around delivery delays already raised questions, so your point about TanTan possibly outsourcing production adds another layer. If they aren’t closely tied into the manufacturing side, it could explain both the communication issues and potential gaps in QC.

A carbon fork failure is serious — it’s not just a warranty issue, it’s a safety one. The real question is whether this will actually be properly assessed or if TanTan will just send out a replacement fork and consider the matter closed. Since they’re not a Western brand, the approach might be very different from what we’d expect from companies like Specialized — where something like this could trigger a full investigation, order holds, recalls, and checks across the board.

That said, I know some forum members have been receiving their TanTan frames since late last year, and aside from a few minor issues, things have generally been fine. Hopefully this really is just an unfortunate, isolated case.

Let’s see if TanTan actually honours their “warranty” — and how seriously they treat the implications.

Well, I’ll definitely be giving the fork a good inspection when mine arrives — adding pressure around that area, doing some flexing and squeezing, just to see if anything feels off. Better safe than sorry.


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jonathanf2

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #818 on: May 03, 2025, 11:27:05 AM »
My contact in China said there's no way some of these vendors are building these frames in-house. Carbon molds are expensive ASF, so there's a good chance TanTan is sourcing the X68 elsewhere.

Also it's worth noting the SPCycle R088 frameset which is also an SL8 derived clone uses and entirely different fork (and head tube design). It makes me wonder if they did so because of potential issues copying the SL8 1:1?


glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #819 on: May 03, 2025, 12:10:59 PM »

Also it's worth noting the SPCycle R088 frameset which is also an SL8 derived clone uses and entirely different fork (and head tube design). It makes me wonder if they did so because of potential issues copying the SL8 1:1?

Could be, or could just be they didn't want to be limited in caliper selection given the unique nature of the sl8's flat mount spacing.

Serge_K

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #820 on: May 03, 2025, 12:38:00 PM »
Hi there,

unfortunately I have to warn everyone on the quality of the fork. Two hours ago I started on my friday routine route and under some braking with the front-brake in front of a crossing the fork imploded. Apart from some minor scratches I'm okay, but the bike took some hits while going over the handlebar... I was super satisfied with the riding quality of the bike so far, but I was not braking hard and just going under 25 kph before the crossing...

Let's see how TanTan will handle this...

It looks like there's no epoxy in this fork. The strands of fiber look dry, dont they? The level of incompetence needed for such a failure at such low speed is enormous. It's not like you're 90kg riding at 90kmh and hit a cat sized pothole.
When i was looking at which OEMs to have on my white list, i never put tantan because stories like this one keep popping up. On this forum, there are a LOT of horror stories about tantan. And i can't figure out if it's because they suck, or because they're so big that it's unavoidable to have issues sometimes. This incident makes me lean towards the "they suck" more. Either way, no bum bum tam tam for me.

If you plan to keep riding this frame, I tip my hat to you, you're a brave man.
Fast on the flat. And nowhere else.

Jouke

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #821 on: May 03, 2025, 02:45:59 PM »
It looks like there's no epoxy in this fork. The strands of fiber look dry, dont they? The level of incompetence needed for such a failure at such low speed is enormous. It's not like you're 90kg riding at 90kmh and hit a cat sized pothole.
When i was looking at which OEMs to have on my white list, i never put tantan because stories like this one keep popping up. On this forum, there are a LOT of horror stories about tantan. And i can't figure out if it's because they suck, or because they're so big that it's unavoidable to have issues sometimes. This incident makes me lean towards the "they suck" more. Either way, no bum bum tam tam for me.

If you plan to keep riding this frame, I tip my hat to you, you're a brave man.

Yeah; this makes me very happy that I opted for the r088. After seeing this I would never buy this the X68; I value my life too much for that.

j0lsrud

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #822 on: May 03, 2025, 03:00:28 PM »
Yeah; this makes me very happy that I opted for the r088. After seeing this I would never buy this the X68; I value my life too much for that.

What makes you think the r088 is any better? And please don't get me wrong, it's not meant as criticism. I have r088 on my way...

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #823 on: May 03, 2025, 03:49:21 PM »
An AI report on this issue:

Fork Failure – Likely Root Cause Analysis (Assuming Third-Party Supplier Used by TanTan)

Following the failure pictured in this thread, I’ve examined both sides of the fork and would like to contribute a technical breakdown of likely causes. Based on the images and common carbon manufacturing practices, the failure appears to have originated internally and propagated rapidly under load — not due to external impact.

Key Observations:
   •   The failure occurred at the crown-leg junction — a known high-stress area during braking and compression.
   •   On the opposite leg, there’s clear evidence of buckling and laminate rupture, indicating a structural collapse rather than an isolated crack.
   •   The fractured edge shows signs of dry fiber and fraying, typical of resin starvation or poor resin impregnation.
   •   There’s no sign of crash damage, deep abrasions, or tire rub that might indicate impact-induced failure.

Most Likely Root Causes:
   1.   Resin Starvation or Poor Wet-Out
Some of the fractured zones appear to lack sufficient resin, which compromises fiber cohesion and structural strength. This is often due to inconsistent layup, inadequate vacuum pressure, or issues in resin application.
   2.   Delamination Due to Poor Layer Bonding
The visible peeling and frayed laminate suggest layers may have separated under stress. This can result from under-curing, improper consolidation, or temperature control issues during manufacture.
   3.   Crown-Leg Transition Weakness
This area is often difficult to mold uniformly, especially on molds reused heavily or not maintained correctly. Stress concentrations here would exploit any weakness in fiber orientation or bonding.
   4.   Manufacturing Quality Control Lapse
If TanTan uses a third-party frame/fork supplier (as is often the case), inconsistent quality control in the supply chain could allow defects like this to pass undetected — especially in lower-cost carbon production environments.

Additional Thoughts:
   •   This failure should not occur under normal riding loads, and it highlights the importance of proper QC, layup integrity, and resin content.
   •   If this was a one-off, it’s unfortunate. If others have similar forks, it might be worth proactively inspecting the crown-leg junction — particularly for signs of surface distortion or laminate stress.
   •   A post-failure ultrasonic or CT inspection would confirm voids or resin-poor zones, but visually this already looks like catastrophic laminate failure due to internal defects.
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Jouke

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #824 on: May 03, 2025, 03:53:32 PM »
What makes you think the r088 is any better? And please don't get me wrong, it's not meant as criticism. I have r088 on my way...
It uses a different fork