i got genuinely excited about this bike from the latest shanghai bike show, but there's been radio silence since then
this is the 1st road bike from the same brand that makes the G-major gravel frame that is available on panda podium
i think it looks absolutely incredible. let's see if anyone can share more news about it
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Cervelo clone ?
If you think this is a cervelo clone, then every allrounder must be a tarmac clone to you?For a pretty aggressive front end you have Quick Pro ER. Something closer to the Foil geometry (which is higher stack bit still racy) would be welcome as there very few racing frames which could enable aero tuck for long legged folks.
Not a fan of the seatpost because it comes with built in setback, if the effective seat angle is very steep, or there's a zero/forward offset option I might be interested. Also hoping for a pretty agressive front end, if you need more stack you can add spacers or use a riser cockpit. I like that the downtube makes proper provisions for a bottle, something that's getting a bit rare these days, though it could be a bit more pronounced still.
The M is very close to an SL8, the echo is 5mm longer and taller in stack and reach (or to the Mondince aero which has the same geometry as an SL8).
So, it's not a crazy low front end bike, but it's aggressive like an SL8.
Does anyone have any idea on the possible Price on this?Their gravel frame goes for $2099 on Pandapodium, so I doubt this one will sell for under $2500.
They appear to calculate seat tube angle differently than Cervelo's S5.
Cervelo seems to list STA at the average saddle height for each frame size, whereas VoiceVelo seems to reference handlebar stack height (much lower).
If that's the case, the effective STA is actually quite steep especially if you're having lots of exposed seat post.
is there a website with specs & geometry we can look at?There's some stuff here: https://wxredian.com/art?id=ffad797ee2e487f5a8326ca2afdd8dd2
Size XL56, Ultegra 12s Di2, and YOELEO QIANKUN CS60, weighing 7.5kg in the photos, are pretty good for an aerodynamic road bike. The build quality is decent, except for some minor paint imperfections (not visible after assembly). The handlebar decals have air bubbles, which looks a bit unsightly.
Would be nice to see geometry chart. Will be very disappointed to see another well made original frame with stupidly short stack and long reach.What do you consider short stack and long reach?
I don't get it. Why is this aero frame cheaper than their gravel frame. On panda podium the gravel frame G-major is 2100$ and this new ECHO is 1400-1700$?
Panda podium commissions. You can expect joe charges a LOT.
What do you consider short stack and long reach?
Also bear in mind geometry changes substantially with STA.
Personally I would love more reach. Running a 130mm-140mm stem is what dialed my fit in.
The headset is based on the FSA ACR standard and doesn't have a special design, so it should be compatible with many headsets.
Size XL56, Ultegra 12s Di2, and YOELEO QIANKUN CS60, weighing 7.5kg in the photos, are pretty good for an aerodynamic road bike. The build quality is decent, except for some minor paint imperfections (not visible after assembly). The handlebar decals have air bubbles, which looks a bit unsightly.
Size XL56, Ultegra 12s Di2, and YOELEO QIANKUN CS60, weighing 7.5kg in the photos, are pretty good for an aerodynamic road bike. The build quality is decent, except for some minor paint imperfections (not visible after assembly). The handlebar decals have air bubbles, which looks a bit unsightly.
Size XL56, Ultegra 12s Di2, and YOELEO QIANKUN CS60, weighing 7.5kg in the photos, are pretty good for an aerodynamic road bike. The build quality is decent, except for some minor paint imperfections (not visible after assembly). The handlebar decals have air bubbles, which looks a bit unsightly.
any chance of voicevelo introducing larger sizes?
I spoke with Bruce from VoiceVelo about larger sizes - he said that he can do, but minimal order is 40 framesets.
You are third ;)
do they have a geo for it? I suppose they don't have a mold yet
I spoke with Bruce from VoiceVelo about larger sizes - he said that he can do, but minimal order is 40 framesets.
You are third ;)
What"s the handlebar you're using? Looks like it has some upward tilt?
I spoke with Bruce from VoiceVelo about larger sizes - he said that he can do, but minimal order is 40 framesets.
You are third ;)
Whats your take on sizing the Echo? Trying to understand what would be suitable and wrapping my head around geo's etc.
My measurments:
A (Height) 175cm
B (Sternal notch height) 147cm
C (Inseam lenght) 81cm
D (Thigh lenght) 38cm
E (Arm lenght) 58cm
F (Shoulder width) 45cm
G Weight (KG) 65
H Flexibility Easy touch of fingertops in front of legs
Mainly do criterium-style racing and some annual climing tripts down in the alps/islands.
Any ideas?
It depends a lot - what bike are You riding right now? What is Your saddle height? How much drop do You prefer?
I would go for size M.
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For reference, I am 186 cm tall and I am basically at the upper limit of this size (XL for my case). The saddle is already positioned all the way back, and I am currently using a 130 mm stem. There is also a 140 mm option available, but in my case the 130 mm works well.
[...]
The reach is clearly on the shorter side, even though the top tube length and the 130 mm stem compensate quite well overall. One consequence of this geometry is noticeable toe overlap: when turning the handlebar at low speed, the tip of my shoe touches the front wheel.
However, by moving the saddle as far back as possible, I’m able to achieve about 8 cm of setback from the bottom bracket. Compared to the 8.5–9 cm I usually ride with, this is already a good compromise.
[...]
As an reference I ride a Aeroad CF SLX in size S.
Guys, XXL/58 size is possible - what geometry are You looking for? Do You have any suggestions?
Hi,
Really like this bike, but it seems the max size is quite small considering your review
With the following, i'm affraid it is too small for me, right ?
- Height: 187cm
Inseam lenght: 91cm
Wing span: 184cm
Shoulder width 38cm
Weight: 72kg
With VFV R1 handlebar which has 10mm rise its nearly the same stack and 6mm shorter reach.
Guys, XXL/58 size is possible - what geometry are You looking for? Do You have any suggestions?
Geometry of XXL/58 is here!
I continue to enjoy riding my Echo. I spent about 8 hours in the saddle over the past 2 days, and it was great. I would like to change my crankset to 160mm, and I need compatibility with the PES515 powermeter. If you know of a suitable budget-friendly crankset, please let me know.You need to invest in TEO cranks from Magene. It's the only option.
You need to invest in TEO cranks from Magene. It's the only option.
or a whole new P515 ;D ;D ;D
I don't recall there being a 160mm P515, unless it's a very recent releaseThere is with TEO crank
Geometry of XXL/58 is here!
Everything looks good but the seat angle is not progressive enough i don't think. 73 is SLACK.The 73° listed is the effective seat tube angle (measured from the BB center to the seat clamp), but the actual seatpost angle is significantly steeper.
| Saddle Height | Inseam | Rider height | Fit Context for Size 58 | Equivalent STA (Measured 80° Physical ASTA) |
| 700mm | 793mm | 168-175cm | Too low for this frame. Requires minimal seatpost extension. | 74.35° |
| 750mm | 849mm | 176-183cm | Lower end of the fit window. | 74.73° |
| 800mm | 906mm | 185-192cm | Target demographic. High extension activating the steeper ASTA. | 75.06° |
| 850mm | 963mm | 195cm+ | Extreme extension. Saddle position will shift drastically forward. | 75.35° |
Geometry of XXL/58 is here!
Thanks @casper.f and @BikeLab.
Thats much more promising.
Any idea of when this will be available to buy?
What will the final price be, including shipping to germany if possible?
Hi everyone, a quick update from Italy.
Today I won a circuit race with this beautiful machine. I attacked with about 800 meters to go and managed to hold off the group until the finish.
I’m really happy with this bike — especially the handlebar, the stiffness is really impressive. In fact, I’m ordering another one to mount on my other bike.
And with deep-section wheels, it also looks absolutely stunning.
Figata! Anche con il body swatt, bella bici complimentoni, dove hai comprato il telaio?
giorgiobuccio , what wheels are you running ? 50mm deep ?
Very , very awesome looking bike. Love it !!
I recently purchased this frameset and in the process of building it. My frameset came with one copper colored angled washer that looks like its for the thru-axles... but just one. Is this for the front or rear? Was I supposed to get two? Anybody else who has built this frame have this issue?
So far really impressed with the quality of the frame and it looks amazing.
Do they offer custom paint? I would absolutely love this in a metallic dark green w/gold logos.+1 for british racing green colour, with silver or gold decal
Finished building mine about a week ago and have gone for several rides. This bike is fantastic. Set mine up with Force 1x Xplr and 32mm gp5k s tr which measure over 34. Plenty of clearance and room to spare. Couldn't be happier with the frameset. Hardware it ships with is top notch and the handlebars feel great too.Could the clamp be protected with something 3D printed? If I get one of these I can print something up and share a file.
Only real nitpick would be the seat clamp is weird and will collect sweat/moisture so may become a problem over time.
We’ve been following the discussions around the VoiceVelo Echo road frame with great interest, and today we have some exciting news to share with you all.
We are proud to announce that we have officially become the authorized distributor for VoiceVelo in Europe! Our goal is to make these high-performance frames more accessible to the European market, providing local support and clearer logistics. To celebrate our launch, we are currently running a special pre-order promotion:
15% OFF for Pre-orders
We offered this discount for the first 4 orders to get the ball rolling. The response has been fantastic, and we are down to the very last spot! If you’ve been eyeing the Echo for your next build, this is the perfect moment to grab it at a significantly lower price before we move to regular retail.
Pre-order pricing:Get in touch with us:
- VoiceVelo ECHO VO Frameset 1699$ --> 1444$
- VFV R1 Integrated handlebar with 10mm rise 329$ -->279$
Whether you have questions about geometry, tire clearance, or shipping times, feel free to reach out to us directly. We want to be as transparent as possible with the community.
Website: https://thebikelab.pl/ (http://www.thebikelab.pl)
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebikelab_pl/
We’re looking forward to seeing more Echo builds hitting the European roads soon!
I finally got my pirelli 34C tires. On my rims with an inner width of 25mm, they swelled up to 36C. The gaps of this frame are amazing - I'm sure I could put 38C or even 40C. Of course, the rear 36C gives you a high level of comfort, I recommend you try it.
Would you post a pic?!I second this request, and would add for a couple of pics- gap at the fork, gap to the seatpost, gaps at the chains and seat stays.
Can I be this fourth person? :)Wish there was a distributor in Australia :/
Wish there was distributor in Australia Wish there was a distributor in Australia :/
Does anyone know how does it look with XXL (58) size? There was geo chart for that size a few pages back. Did they ever put it in production, will it ever be available on padapodium?
That XL (56) is a bit to small for me, but that XXL (58) looks pretty perfect.
Anyone know what's going on with Voicevelo? Website showing $0, and pandapodium doesn't list the VO frame anymore.
I tried to convince VoiceVelo to produce it; everyone’s talking about it—but when I checked the actual interest through a survey, only five people filled it out over two and a half months.
I tried to convince VoiceVelo to produce it; everyone’s talking about it—but when I checked the actual interest through a survey, only five people filled it out over two and a half months.
Official website never listed price for Echo - it is 0$ since i remember.
About VO version - out of stock, everything is sold ::)
We have two VO framesets (Black and Purple in size L) on the way to EU.
I’m 1.68m tall with a 78cm inseam and ride a Canyon Aeroad in XS and a Seka Spear in S; what would you recommend for the Voice—size S or M?
Does anyone with similar measurements have any experience with it?
Anything bigger than S might be too long.
VoiceVelo integrated handlebars have 10mm rise so geometry match Aeroad (but VoiceVelo have much steeper seat tube).
Hi everyone, a quick update from Italy.
Today I won a circuit race with this beautiful machine. I attacked with about 800 meters to go and managed to hold off the group until the finish.
I’m really happy with this bike — especially the handlebar, the stiffness is really impressive. In fact, I’m ordering another one to mount on my other bike.
And with deep-section wheels, it also looks absolutely stunning.
How can you actually order this frame? On the VoiceVelobsite they are all 0 $ and polish distributor shows no stock?
Voicevelo ECHO & TooT M3
Voicevelo ECHO & TooT M3
Holy mother of dragons, that's a vile looking setup! Kudos for trying to find an aero fit though. Do you mind listing your measurements and how you picked the equipment? The bike looks awful but your position on the bike looks pretty normal, so it would be useful to know more.
Have you tried descending with it? Do you use it only on the flat?