Chinertown

i got genuinely excited about this bike from the latest shanghai bike show, but there's been radio silence since then

this is the 1st road bike from the same brand that makes the G-major gravel frame that is available on panda podium

i think it looks absolutely incredible. let's see if anyone can share more news about it

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Quote from: akira11 on August 03, 2025, 07:03:00 PM
i got genuinely excited about this bike from the latest shanghai bike show, but there's been radio silence since then

this is the 1st road bike from the same brand that makes the G-major gravel frame that is available on panda podium

i think it looks absolutely incredible. let's see if anyone can share more news about it

(https://k.sinaimg.cn/n/sinakd20114/120/w1440h1080/20250508/64d9-ad184097cefc6dd4492a7aa64d21b1df.jpg/w700d1q75cms.jpg)

(https://k.sinaimg.cn/n/sinakd20114/120/w1440h1080/20250508/cc32-9642c6ba1bc02774f35f58bc8d4637f0.jpg/w700d1q75cms.jpg)

(https://k.sinaimg.cn/n/sinakd20114/120/w1440h1080/20250508/0054-9120d4c0f714844650d9400eb66a57ec.jpg/w700d1q75cms.jpg)

(https://k.sinaimg.cn/n/sinakd20114/120/w1440h1080/20250508/90ca-ebfaf7746690f7a6dd56ecaeb21b0366.jpg/w700d1q75cms.jpg)

Cervelo clone ?

Quote from: Tpower59 on August 03, 2025, 11:57:26 PM
Cervelo clone ?

You must be blind XD
Rear triangle is more similar to Scott Foil, down tube a bit like a Pinarello, sniffer like Specialized and the fork-frame part looks like Factor.
Overall the frame looks very nice. But still my go to look now is Incolor Intropy SSR  8)

Really blind 🤣

Would be nice to see geometry chart. Will be very disappointed to see another well made original frame with stupidly short stack and long reach.

If you think this is a cervelo clone, then every allrounder must be a tarmac clone to you?

Not a fan of the seatpost because it comes with built in setback, if the effective seat angle is very steep, or there's a zero/forward offset option I might be interested. Also hoping for a pretty agressive front end, if you need more stack you can add spacers or use a riser cockpit. I like that the downtube makes proper provisions for a bottle, something that's getting a bit rare these days, though it could be a bit more pronounced still.

Quote from: toxin on August 04, 2025, 06:34:52 AM
If you think this is a cervelo clone, then every allrounder must be a tarmac clone to you?

Not a fan of the seatpost because it comes with built in setback, if the effective seat angle is very steep, or there's a zero/forward offset option I might be interested. Also hoping for a pretty agressive front end, if you need more stack you can add spacers or use a riser cockpit. I like that the downtube makes proper provisions for a bottle, something that's getting a bit rare these days, though it could be a bit more pronounced still.

For a pretty aggressive front end you have Quick Pro ER. Something closer to the Foil geometry (which is higher stack bit still racy) would be welcome as there very few racing frames which could enable aero tuck for long legged folks.

Quick pro isnt very aggressive. There exist 3 frames which would fit my needs and they're all >5k€

Will be available to sell this month !

Any info about price or geometry?

Joe from panda podium has also confirmed they are working on the final production paintjobs so hopefully we will get a release in time

Geometry chart

Ah this sucks for me

Quote from: Serge_K on August 18, 2025, 05:36:51 AM
The M is very close to an SL8, the echo is 5mm longer and taller in stack and reach (or to the Mondince aero which has the same geometry as an SL8).
So, it's not a crazy low front end bike, but it's aggressive like an SL8.

If the weight and Price matches with Mondince maybe I Will buy this one

They appear to calculate seat tube angle differently than Cervelo's S5.
Cervelo seems to list STA at the average saddle height for each frame size, whereas VoiceVelo seems to reference handlebar stack height (much lower).
If that's the case, the effective STA is actually quite steep especially if you're having lots of exposed seat post.

Does anyone have solid info on this frame yet? So far I've only seen the short ChinaCycling video from the Shanghai show.

Does anyone have any idea on the possible Price on this?

Quote from: Vasegaard on August 18, 2025, 07:03:43 AM
Does anyone have any idea on the possible Price on this?

Their gravel frame goes for $2099 on Pandapodium, so I doubt this one will sell for under $2500.

Quote from: voidptr on August 18, 2025, 06:47:15 AM
They appear to calculate seat tube angle differently than Cervelo's S5.
Cervelo seems to list STA at the average saddle height for each frame size, whereas VoiceVelo seems to reference handlebar stack height (much lower).
If that's the case, the effective STA is actually quite steep especially if you're having lots of exposed seat post.

they might've taken a little inspiration on the seat angles from the Foil, but then, while closer, it's not the exact same method of seat angle measurement and in actuality the Foil might be bit slacker, but then VFV have that seatpost that adds 5-10 mm of seatback so idk. It's not as slack as I thought at first, but it's still in the region of "normal", for the two bigger sizes.

Actually, the more I look, the more Foil DNA I see in this geometry. The 54 and 56 are almost clones of Foil geometry with everything aside from chainstay length being virtually identical on paper. There's still lots of traces in the two smaller sizes, but they've basically taken 3 sizes from the Foil (47, 49, 52) and and mixed them together to get two.

Such a shame, yet another frame without an actual L/58 size

i am most definitely getting one in size 54

 :o They said August
We are in September now

These just went up on sale in china apprently. Theres a add on for a Y1RS kinda bar as well.

Quote from: Serge_K on September 26, 2025, 03:43:19 AMis there a website with specs & geometry we can look at?

There's some stuff here: https://wxredian.com/art?id=ffad797ee2e487f5a8326ca2afdd8dd2

• 34C clearance
• Lightweight version: 975g for the frame, 507g for the fork
• Standard version: 1100g for the frame, 526g for the fork
• Seatpost: 155g
• Handlebar: $280, 333g

It's a good thing that awful handlebar isn't a mandatory part, frame weight is pretty decent, fork is quite heavy.

The BB is T47A, which I guess is the best call if you're gonna use T47. I guess it's too much to hope for a zero or reverse offset seatpost

I really like the the look of this frame.

That said, I really wont believe its aero until i see more. I know everyone has different priorities when it comes to aero, but for me frontal area reduction is the only thing I would trust if the bike has not been measured and benchmarked; so I am not sure this is an automatic winner. Also that seatpost design feels like its created for compliance, but also looks like it both limits fore aft positioning so a zero or even positive offset would be awesome.

For a race bike, the geometries look really good to me, particularly the 54cm. They played it a bit safe IMO, but thats fine. The price though is unexpected. I thought this was going to be more expensive than their gravel bike, not less, but perhaps they found out they were positioned too high with the Major G? Either way thats a good development.

This is what I imagine specialized would conjure up if they went more aerodynamic on the sl8. Throw the word S-works on there and drop 150g from frameset and this thing would sell like hot cakes imo.


Does anyone know if custom colors will be possible? Love the tubing shapes but the glossy to matte black is a little off for me.

Voicevelo and Incolor are manufactured by the same factory.
Voicevelo frames do not support custom paint jobs.

Size XL56, Ultegra 12s Di2, and YOELEO QIANKUN CS60, weighing 7.5kg in the photos, are pretty good for an aerodynamic road bike. The build quality is decent, except for some minor paint imperfections (not visible after assembly). The handlebar decals have air bubbles, which looks a bit unsightly.

Price for the light version is 9980Y which is like 1250€ ?!?! Seems veeeeeeery cheap

I asked if they had any deals for 11.11. Messages read but no reply. Same for Black Friday. Still eyeing the frame but the lack of even a "no" does rise some concerns if something were to go wrong with the frame.

I bought it from an authorized reseller on Taobao, so any problems should be resolved. VFV's official website hasn't been updated in a long time, so they probably aren't checking emails anymore.

Quote from: crwlv888 on November 28, 2025, 11:38:37 AM
Size XL56, Ultegra 12s Di2, and YOELEO QIANKUN CS60, weighing 7.5kg in the photos, are pretty good for an aerodynamic road bike. The build quality is decent, except for some minor paint imperfections (not visible after assembly). The handlebar decals have air bubbles, which looks a bit unsightly.

And where did you buy it? Can you share a link?
How would you rate the rigidity and comfort of this model?

The weather has been pretty bad lately, so I haven't had a chance to give it a proper ride yet.

Perceived stiffness really depends on rider weight, power output, road conditions, and distance.
That said, a lack of stiffness is rarely an issue with modern carbon road bikes.

Also, this frame has clearance for up to 35c tires, so comfort definitely shouldn't be a concern.

I bought it from the first store. There are also two other stores that sell it.
(You might need a TAOBAO account to view this.)

1. https://tinyurl.com/4fjcmh8b

2. https://tinyurl.com/2p9r64db

3. https://tinyurl.com/5yu47rkm

Eeee https://www.pandapodium.cc/product/voicevelo-vfv-echo-aero-road-bike-frameset/
1400$

From Bruce at VV. Prices include shipping but not import fees and tariffs. He said they declare as low as possible by default.

Ordered  :)

Love the looks of the frame, was very impressed by the quality on my VFV Seatpost. It's too bad they didn't make some larger sizes.

Quote from: Da11as on August 04, 2025, 05:54:51 AM
Would be nice to see geometry chart. Will be very disappointed to see another well made original frame with stupidly short stack and long reach.

What do you consider short stack and long reach?

Also bear in mind geometry changes substantially with STA.

Personally I would love more reach. Running a 130mm-140mm stem is what dialed my fit in.

I don't get it. Why is this aero frame cheaper than their gravel frame. On panda podium the gravel frame G-major is 2100$ and this new ECHO is 1400-1700$?

Quote from: TurboKlemi on December 07, 2025, 01:50:57 PM
I don't get it. Why is this aero frame cheaper than their gravel frame. On panda podium the gravel frame G-major is 2100$ and this new ECHO is 1400-1700$?

Panda podium commissions. You can expect joe charges a LOT.

Quote from: Serge_K on December 08, 2025, 01:49:30 PM
Panda podium commissions. You can expect joe charges a LOT.

Both prices are from PP ;) Road frame came out much cheaper.

Quote from: Takiyaki on December 06, 2025, 03:43:30 PM
What do you consider short stack and long reach?

Also bear in mind geometry changes substantially with STA.

Personally I would love more reach. Running a 130mm-140mm stem is what dialed my fit in.

On PP, I was told that a 3D-printed adapter is needed to use a custom stem. Are you planning to use a separate stem?

The headset is based on the FSA ACR standard and doesn't have a special design, so it should be compatible with many headsets.

Quote from: crwlv888 on December 08, 2025, 09:20:28 PM
The headset is based on the FSA ACR standard and doesn't have a special design, so it should be compatible with many headsets.

That sounds great. I can't imagine life without the 120-130mm stem and 340mm handlebar from bikedoc.

Quote from: crwlv888 on November 28, 2025, 11:38:37 AM
Size XL56, Ultegra 12s Di2, and YOELEO QIANKUN CS60, weighing 7.5kg in the photos, are pretty good for an aerodynamic road bike. The build quality is decent, except for some minor paint imperfections (not visible after assembly). The handlebar decals have air bubbles, which looks a bit unsightly.

Hi. What are your impressions of the bike after a while?

I expected a harsh, vibrating ride with 30C tires on 60mm carbon spoke wheels, but it's actually surprisingly comfortable.

While it's not quite as nimble as an all-arounder when pulling away from traffic lights, the cruising stability is excellent and the power transfer feels very direct.

Also, because my seatpost hasn't been cut and sits quite deep in the frame, I was getting some creaking when applying lateral force. I managed to fix it by applying a small piece of electrical tape to the lower right side of the seatpost.

Overall, I'm really enjoying this bike. :)

I finally received my frame—hooray. There was a small issue with the delivery: Panda Podium asked me to pay an additional $100 for "free" shipping because my country is very far away. My country is Kazakhstan; we share a border with China, and the delivery problems are entirely related to the chosen shipping method via FedEx. The package traveled through Germany and France.

The frame itself looks high quality. The inside of the frame is clean, but there were small carbon residues inside the fork. Assembly was quite convenient because there is a slot for a Di2 battery. Unfortunately, there are no guides for internal cable routing.

The frame is very light, while the fork feels relatively heavy. The overall package is very good. The packaging is excellent. The kit included aluminum headset spacers, lightweight axles, and headset bearings. There are many nice details, such as a metal plate under the bottle cage with the company name, which creates a pleasant impression of a premium purchase.

I hope to test this frame already this weekend.

Guys, post some photos of your bikes please.

Since I mostly ride at night, I don't have many great scenic photos to share.

I've uploaded some detailed shots instead, which I hope will be a helpful reference for those interested in this frame.

Has somebody got any information about a potential zero offset seatpost?

That seatpost is their proudest design, so they probably won't change it.

But with only 5mm of setback, it's actually not that bad.

Quote from: crwlv888 on November 28, 2025, 11:38:37 AM
Size XL56, Ultegra 12s Di2, and YOELEO QIANKUN CS60, weighing 7.5kg in the photos, are pretty good for an aerodynamic road bike. The build quality is decent, except for some minor paint imperfections (not visible after assembly). The handlebar decals have air bubbles, which looks a bit unsightly.

7.5kg for an XL sounds really good. I thought it was going to weigh more. That fork is just so heavy.  Which was what was quite off putting for me initially but i might be swayed.

Hello everyone again. My bike is assembled. The wheels, bottle holder, and stem are temporary, and I'll be using different ones. It feels sturdy but also very comfortable. The bumps in the road are more noticeable in the hands than in the back.

I tried this bike on long, relatively flat sections in the aero position and on relatively long and steep climbs. I haven't climbed high yet, as it's cold in the mountains. I really like the way it rides and accelerates. And of course, the look is very cool. The climate allows me to ride sometimes in winter, but I often have to use the thinkrider. The racing season will start in April, and I hope to achieve good results.

Quote from: crwlv888 on November 28, 2025, 11:38:37 AM
Size XL56, Ultegra 12s Di2, and YOELEO QIANKUN CS60, weighing 7.5kg in the photos, are pretty good for an aerodynamic road bike. The build quality is decent, except for some minor paint imperfections (not visible after assembly). The handlebar decals have air bubbles, which looks a bit unsightly.

what saddle height do you have in this picture?

The saddle height is 76 cm (measured from the BB center)

I'm going to take part in a bike track race in early February. Our bike track allows you to participate in these races on traditional road bikes. Let's see how the ECHO performs!

4km, 354watt, 5 minutes and 30 seconds, 82kg. I think, thats not bad for aero bike. This bike can be very fast, If you want.

Soory, I have only this screen.

Next day, 1km, 502 watt. The frame's rigidity was sufficient for such power, and the force transmission was excellent, but there were unpleasant sounds and creaks. 1 minutes and 19 sec

I'm guessing the creak originates from the lower seatpost.
Wrapping 5cm of clear tape at the end and applying carbon assembly paste has a high chance of resolving the issue.

We've been following the discussions around the VoiceVelo Echo road frame with great interest, and today we have some exciting news to share with you all.

We are proud to announce that we have officially become the authorized distributor for VoiceVelo in Europe! Our goal is to make these high-performance frames more accessible to the European market, providing local support and clearer logistics. To celebrate our launch, we are currently running a special pre-order promotion:

15% OFF for Pre-orders
We offered this discount for the first 4 orders to get the ball rolling. The response has been fantastic, and we are down to the very last spot! If you've been eyeing the Echo for your next build, this is the perfect moment to grab it at a significantly lower price before we move to regular retail.


Pre-order pricing:

   
• VoiceVelo ECHO VO Frameset 1699$ --> 1444$
• VFV R1 Integrated handlebar with 10mm rise 329$ -->279$

Get in touch with us:
Whether you have questions about geometry, tire clearance, or shipping times, feel free to reach out to us directly. We want to be as transparent as possible with the community.

Website: https://thebikelab.pl/ (http://www.thebikelab.pl)

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebikelab_pl/

We're looking forward to seeing more Echo builds hitting the European roads soon!

any chance of voicevelo introducing larger sizes?

Quote from: pavlo.k on February 19, 2026, 08:43:00 AM
any chance of voicevelo introducing larger sizes?

I spoke with Bruce from VoiceVelo about larger sizes - he said that he can do, but minimal order is 40 framesets.

You are third  ;)

Quote from: BikeLab on February 19, 2026, 08:51:43 AM
I spoke with Bruce from VoiceVelo about larger sizes - he said that he can do, but minimal order is 40 framesets.

You are third  ;)

do they have a geo for it? I suppose they don't have a mold yet

Quote from: pavlo.k on February 19, 2026, 11:01:29 AM
do they have a geo for it? I suppose they don't have a mold yet

Yes, that's probably the reason.

Quote from: BikeLab on February 19, 2026, 08:51:43 AM
I spoke with Bruce from VoiceVelo about larger sizes - he said that he can do, but minimal order is 40 framesets.

You are third  ;)

Consider a thread, that might be doable if some youtuber gets involved, like Patrick Lino.
You'd obviously have to pick one size, can't be just "big / bigger", and commit to a geometry.
But there are tall people who can't really buy chinese frames, and that one looks legit / ticks a LOT of boxes. Big dudes should care about aero more than others, they're usually pulling in front with leprechauns hiding behind.
Last, would be a beautiful example of East/West coordination, to be picked up by cycling media.
Logistically there would need to be some kind of deposit mechanism, as "i'm in" means nothing until something sent actual money, and people must feel comfortable enough that they're not being taken for a ride.

But it's a really cool idea i think. Also, Mondince basically tried that last summer and failed completely, but it was different in several ways.

When I looked at the geometry I saw quiet some resemblance (not an exact match) with the scott foil, with the difference that this frame only covers from size 49 till size 56. Looking at the size chart makes it obvious that a bigger cut of the tall people are left out compared to the shorter cyclists. This is of less of an issue for the asian market, but if they want to serve the western market as much, offering at least one size bigger would be a must to avoid too much people are left out.

(https://i.ibb.co/zhg9VfSj/Screenshot-2026-02-23-142116.jpg)

In black, it's currently one of the most beautiful frames for me. How aerodynamic the design actually is remains to be seen.

A VH version in black would be sufficient for me, but at the price of the VO model, I'd rather go for the Quick Pro ER One or a more affordable frame like the SP-R066.

Work in progress, guys. I'm really curious to try it in the next few days — it looks amazing for sure. The only downside during the build is that the Ultegra 54/40 crankset simply doesn't fit physically, so I had to go with a 52/36 instead. A bit of a shame... the 52 feels like kid-gearing 😅.

What"s the handlebar you're using? Looks like it has some upward tilt?

Looks like a nice alternative to the Quick Pro ER One, only difference is not a full monocoque construction, that explains the lower price.

Quote from: hubba on February 24, 2026, 07:14:07 AM
What"s the handlebar you're using? Looks like it has some upward tilt?

It is originial VoiceVelo R1 handlebar with 10mm rise.

https://thebikelab.pl/en/products/integrated-handlebar-voicevelo-vfv-r1

Quote from: BikeLab on February 19, 2026, 08:51:43 AM
I spoke with Bruce from VoiceVelo about larger sizes - he said that he can do, but minimal order is 40 framesets.

You are third  ;)

At 198cm count me in! I've heard from someone that's part of Offthefront that they are pushing for some bigger sizes. With them essentially being the UK distributor for VoiceVelo might help for sure.

Hi,

I wanted to briefly share my riding impressions of the bike.

The bike is absolutely impressive in terms of design, technical features, weight, stiffness, and aerodynamic performance. It rides very well in all situations — climbing, descending, and on the flat. It feels responsive and lively, a true all-round race machine.

The handlebar is also extremely well made — very aerodynamic and clearly designed with a racing focus.

For reference, I am 186 cm tall and I am basically at the upper limit of this size (XL for my case). The saddle is already positioned all the way back, and I am currently using a 130 mm stem. There is also a 140 mm option available, but in my case the 130 mm works well.

When I first sat on the bike, my immediate impression was that it's a very race-oriented machine, aiming to replicate a professional rider's position, with the pelvis projected forward toward the bottom bracket and a pedaling style heavily loaded on the quadriceps and the front end. Personally, this is not my preferred setup, as I'm used to riding in a slightly more rearward position.

The reach is clearly on the shorter side, even though the top tube length and the 130 mm stem compensate quite well overall. One consequence of this geometry is noticeable toe overlap: when turning the handlebar at low speed, the tip of my shoe touches the front wheel.

However, by moving the saddle as far back as possible, I'm able to achieve about 8 cm of setback from the bottom bracket. Compared to the 8.5–9 cm I usually ride with, this is already a good compromise.

Another point I didn't like is that it's not possible to mount a 54/40 crankset, because the 40T inner chainring physically touches the frame. This limits the gearing options, which is a bit disappointing.

Overall, I'm happy with the bike. It's a very good machine, and it looks great as well. I would rate this bike between 9 and 10 out of 10.

Whats your take on sizing the Echo? Trying to understand what would be suitable and wrapping my head around geo's etc.

My measurments:

A (Height)   175cm
B (Sternal notch height)   147cm
C (Inseam lenght)   81cm
D (Thigh lenght)   38cm
E (Arm lenght)   58cm
F (Shoulder width)   45cm
G Weight (KG)   65
H Flexibility    Easy touch of fingertops in front of legs

Mainly do criterium-style racing and some annual climing tripts down in the alps/islands.

Any ideas?

Quote from: Ewox on March 02, 2026, 12:03:39 PM
Whats your take on sizing the Echo? Trying to understand what would be suitable and wrapping my head around geo's etc.

My measurments:

A (Height)   175cm
B (Sternal notch height)   147cm
C (Inseam lenght)   81cm
D (Thigh lenght)   38cm
E (Arm lenght)   58cm
F (Shoulder width)   45cm
G Weight (KG)   65
H Flexibility    Easy touch of fingertops in front of legs

Mainly do criterium-style racing and some annual climing tripts down in the alps/islands.

Any ideas?

It depends a lot - what bike are You riding right now? What is Your saddle height? How much drop do You prefer?

I would go for size M.

New photos from PandaPodium.

Quote from: BikeLab on March 03, 2026, 02:10:31 AM
It depends a lot - what bike are You riding right now? What is Your saddle height? How much drop do You prefer?

I would go for size M.

As an reference I ride a Aeroad CF SLX in size S.

Quote from: giorgiobuccio on March 02, 2026, 04:31:57 AM
[...]

For reference, I am 186 cm tall and I am basically at the upper limit of this size (XL for my case). The saddle is already positioned all the way back, and I am currently using a 130 mm stem. There is also a 140 mm option available, but in my case the 130 mm works well.

[...]

The reach is clearly on the shorter side, even though the top tube length and the 130 mm stem compensate quite well overall. One consequence of this geometry is noticeable toe overlap: when turning the handlebar at low speed, the tip of my shoe touches the front wheel.

However, by moving the saddle as far back as possible, I'm able to achieve about 8 cm of setback from the bottom bracket. Compared to the 8.5–9 cm I usually ride with, this is already a good compromise.

[...]

Hi,

Really like this bike, but it seems the max size is quite small considering your review
With the following, i'm affraid it is too small for me, right ?

• Height: 187cm
  Inseam lenght: 91cm
  Wing span: 184cm
  Shoulder width 38cm
  Weight: 72kg
  

Quote from: Ewox on March 04, 2026, 02:29:26 AM
As an reference I ride a Aeroad CF SLX in size S.

With VFV R1 handlebar which has 10mm rise its nearly the same stack and 6mm shorter reach.

Guys, XXL/58 size is possible - what geometry are You looking for? Do You have any suggestions?

Quote from: BikeLab on March 04, 2026, 02:46:35 AM

Guys, XXL/58 size is possible - what geometry are You looking for? Do You have any suggestions?

I would propose to do a little higher incremental step compared to the step increase from L to XL and angles can be kept similar/ identical, for instance
Seat tube length:  XXL = 580mm  (XL +35mm)
Stack:                  XXL =599mm (XL + 30mm)
Reach:                 XXL =403 (XL + 8mm)
Head Tube Angle:  XXL = 73.3° (XL = 73.3°)   
Seat Angle:          XXL = 73°  (XL = 73°)

Quote from: Emaze on March 04, 2026, 02:39:08 AM
Hi,

Really like this bike, but it seems the max size is quite small considering your review
With the following, i'm affraid it is too small for me, right ?

• Height: 187cm
  Inseam lenght: 91cm
  Wing span: 184cm
  Shoulder width 38cm
  Weight: 72kg
  

Hi,

I am 186 cm tall, and these are the measurements I have configured on the bike.

Regarding my saddle, which is a fairly standard model (Prologo Dimension 143), 8 cm of saddle setback is the maximum I can achieve with this setup.

As mentioned, the handlebar is the Voice Velo VFVR1 integrated cockpit, 380 mm wide with a 130 mm stem.

For me this configuration is right at the limit, especially in terms of saddle setback, which is already at the maximum. However, it still remains within my personal limits and I feel comfortable with this setup.

Quote from: BikeLab on March 04, 2026, 02:46:35 AM
With VFV R1 handlebar which has 10mm rise its nearly the same stack and 6mm shorter reach.

Guys, XXL/58 size is possible - what geometry are You looking for? Do You have any suggestions?

seatpost should be at least 400mm

Geometry of XXL/58 is here!

Quote from: BikeLab on March 09, 2026, 02:08:17 PM
Geometry of XXL/58 is here!

Still too small for me unfortunately

I continue to enjoy riding my Echo. I spent about 8 hours in the saddle over the past 2 days, and it was great. I would like to change my crankset to 160mm, and I need compatibility with the PES515 powermeter. If you know of a suitable budget-friendly crankset, please let me know.

Quote from: aeroquest on March 10, 2026, 12:01:00 AM
I continue to enjoy riding my Echo. I spent about 8 hours in the saddle over the past 2 days, and it was great. I would like to change my crankset to 160mm, and I need compatibility with the PES515 powermeter. If you know of a suitable budget-friendly crankset, please let me know.

You need to invest in TEO cranks from Magene. It's the only option.

Quote from: Lotnik on March 10, 2026, 02:10:53 AM
You need to invest in TEO cranks from Magene. It's the only option.

or a whole new P515  ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Dan S. on March 10, 2026, 04:22:02 AM
or a whole new P515  ;D ;D ;D

I don't recall there being a 160mm P515, unless it's a very recent release

Quote from: Gloopann on March 10, 2026, 05:00:15 PM
I don't recall there being a 160mm P515, unless it's a very recent release

There is with TEO crank

Quote from: BikeLab on March 09, 2026, 02:08:17 PM
Geometry of XXL/58 is here!

Everything looks good but the seat angle is not progressive enough i don't think. 73 is SLACK.

Yeah my gravel bike seat tube angle is 73, zero setback post with saddle slammed forward and 82cm saddle height I still have 8cm of setback. Road bikes especially shouldn't go slacker than 73,5 and in my opinion gravel bikes shouldn't either, you can always use a setback seatpost.

Quote from: rolypoly on March 11, 2026, 10:36:42 PM
Everything looks good but the seat angle is not progressive enough i don't think. 73 is SLACK.

The 73° listed is the effective seat tube angle (measured from the BB center to the seat clamp), but the actual seatpost angle is significantly steeper.

Ultimately, your body doesn't care about frame angles; it only cares about saddle height and saddle setback relative to the bottom bracket.
If you are on a size 58 with a high saddle extension, the seatpost follows that steeper trajectory. This means your saddle will not move as far backward as it would on a frame with a true, continuous 73° angle.

Seatpost angle (quickly measured in canva) 80°
Some gemini calculations:

Saddle Height	Inseam	Rider height	Fit Context for Size 58	Equivalent STA (Measured 80° Physical ASTA)
700mm	793mm	168-175cm	Too low for this frame. Requires minimal seatpost extension.	74.35°
750mm	849mm	176-183cm	Lower end of the fit window.	74.73°
800mm	906mm	185-192cm	Target demographic. High extension activating the steeper ASTA.	75.06°
850mm	963mm	195cm+	Extreme extension. Saddle position will shift drastically forward.	75.35°

Thats right - actual seatpost angle is about 80°

With saddle height at 800mm (from center BB to saddle top) and using Selle Italia SLR that is 248mm long and has 50mm regulation on rails You can have 50-95mm saddle setback (there is 45-90mm on screenshot but seatpost has 5mm offset).

EDIT:

In my calculations, I also did not take into account the width of the saddle mount, which limits our ability to extend the saddle forward or backward. Probably more realistic setback values for a saddle at this height are 65-85mm (including a 5mm offset).

EDIT2:

According to my calculations, if the width of the saddle holder is 30mm, the possible setback presents itself as follows:

Saddle Height               Possible offset
750mm                        57-77mm
800mm                        65-85mm
850mm                        74-94mm

Thanks @casper.f and @BikeLab.

Thats much more promising.

Quote from: BikeLab on March 09, 2026, 02:08:17 PM
Geometry of XXL/58 is here!

Any idea of when this will be available to buy?

Quote from: rolypoly on March 16, 2026, 06:07:09 PM
Thanks @casper.f and @BikeLab.

Thats much more promising.

Any idea of when this will be available to buy?

I might start collecting orders this week, but lead time is 60-75 days.

Hello everyone!

We have some exciting news for the taller riders in the community who often struggle to find performance frames in their size. We are officially launching the VoiceVelo ECHO XXL (Size 58) Preorder!

Here are the details:

• We need a minimum of 20 preorder reservations for the XXL size to move into production and order processing.
• No payment is required upfront. Payment links will only be sent out once we have successfully collected the 20 necessary reservations.
• If the 20-unit goal is not reached, the preorder may be canceled, and all participants will be notified.

Exclusive Discount: As a thank you for helping us bring the XXL size to life, all preorder participants will receive a 10% discount off the regular price.

👉 LINK TO THE XXL PREORDER FORM https://forms.gle/4tAtNseVBF4TJ2Lc7 (https://forms.gle/4tAtNseVBF4TJ2Lc7)

Nice, ordered. I hope we reach the 20 orders.

What will the final price be, including shipping to germany if possible?

Quote from: freddy_the_main on March 20, 2026, 11:07:23 AM
What will the final price be, including shipping to germany if possible?

💵1699$ —> 1529$ for frameset, free shipping to Germany.

Is it possible to preorder the VH version? I`m on the heavier side, except for my wallet, that thing is on the lighter side.

Hi everyone, a quick update from Italy.
Today I won a circuit race with this beautiful machine. I attacked with about 800 meters to go and managed to hold off the group until the finish.

I'm really happy with this bike — especially the handlebar, the stiffness is really impressive. In fact, I'm ordering another one to mount on my other bike.

And with deep-section wheels, it also looks absolutely stunning.

Very , very awesome looking bike. Love it !!

Quote from: giorgiobuccio on March 28, 2026, 01:41:35 PM
Hi everyone, a quick update from Italy.
Today I won a circuit race with this beautiful machine. I attacked with about 800 meters to go and managed to hold off the group until the finish.

I'm really happy with this bike — especially the handlebar, the stiffness is really impressive. In fact, I'm ordering another one to mount on my other bike.

And with deep-section wheels, it also looks absolutely stunning.

Figata! Anche con il body swatt, bella bici complimentoni, dove hai comprato il telaio?

giorgiobuccio , what wheels are you running ? 50mm deep ?

Quote from: alfiomotrambo on March 28, 2026, 05:50:27 PM

Figata! Anche con il body swatt, bella bici complimentoni, dove hai comprato il telaio?

Ciao!  I bought it directly from Voicevelo at the time, there wasn't a European distributor yet. I sent you a PM.

Quote from: panel on March 28, 2026, 06:26:39 PM
giorgiobuccio , what wheels are you running ? 50mm deep ?

The wheels are 60 mm front and 65 mm rear. I can't tell you the brand because I bought them from an Italian importer before I realized that buying them from China costs half the price :) In training I use a 45 mm LightCarbon wheelset with DT Swiss 240 hubs, and I'm impressed by the exceptional smoothness.

- How comfortable can a super high-speed aerobike be over long distances?
- Yes

https://www.strava.com/activities/17896909993

I just finished a 200 km Sunday ride at the end of a 560 km week. Well, I'm alive, my back isn't falling apart, and I even set a number of PRs on flat segments this week. I guess that's not bad.

Quote from: panel on March 28, 2026, 03:38:34 PM
Very , very awesome looking bike. Love it !!

Congratulations on the win! I've got a 25 km ITT in a week and a two-day race in two weeks. Feeling fired up for success 🙂

Oh, what do we have here? Could it really be a 35 mm wide racing road tire that fits our frame?

https://www.tradeinn.com/bikeinn/ru/pirelli-%D0%A8%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0-p-zero--race-speedcore-127-tpi-smartevo-tubeless-700-x-35/137836561/p

I buy this one from my rear wheels. On a front - classic 32mm 5000. I think, it must be interesting.

I recently purchased this frameset and in the process of building it.  My frameset came with one copper colored angled washer that looks like its for the thru-axles... but just one.  Is this for the front or rear?  Was I supposed to get two?  Anybody else who has built this frame have this issue?

So far really impressed with the quality of the frame and it looks amazing.

That spacer is used for the rear thru-axle to eliminate the offset between the axle head and the frame.
It's an aesthetic component, so the bike is still safe to ride without it.

Quote from: grandaddy1 on April 01, 2026, 06:30:56 AM
I recently purchased this frameset and in the process of building it.  My frameset came with one copper colored angled washer that looks like its for the thru-axles... but just one.  Is this for the front or rear?  Was I supposed to get two?  Anybody else who has built this frame have this issue?

So far really impressed with the quality of the frame and it looks amazing.

Do they offer custom paint? I would absolutely love this in a metallic dark green w/gold logos.

Quote from: Takiyaki on April 03, 2026, 02:47:55 PM
Do they offer custom paint? I would absolutely love this in a metallic dark green w/gold logos.

+1 for british racing green colour, with silver or gold decal

25km ITT, 290watt, 39.6km\h

Approved for racing, ready for use.

Some photos

Finished building mine about a week ago and have gone for several rides.  This bike is fantastic.  Set mine up with Force 1x Xplr and 32mm gp5k s tr which measure over 34.  Plenty of clearance and room to spare.  Couldn't be happier with the frameset.  Hardware it ships with is top notch and the handlebars feel great too.

Only real nitpick would be the seat clamp is weird and will collect sweat/moisture so may become a problem over time.

Quote from: grandaddy1 on April 10, 2026, 10:39:32 AM
Finished building mine about a week ago and have gone for several rides.  This bike is fantastic.  Set mine up with Force 1x Xplr and 32mm gp5k s tr which measure over 34.  Plenty of clearance and room to spare.  Couldn't be happier with the frameset.  Hardware it ships with is top notch and the handlebars feel great too.

Only real nitpick would be the seat clamp is weird and will collect sweat/moisture so may become a problem over time.

Could the clamp be protected with something 3D printed? If I get one of these I can print something up and share a file.

Quote from: BikeLab on February 19, 2026, 07:41:38 AM
We've been following the discussions around the VoiceVelo Echo road frame with great interest, and today we have some exciting news to share with you all.

We are proud to announce that we have officially become the authorized distributor for VoiceVelo in Europe! Our goal is to make these high-performance frames more accessible to the European market, providing local support and clearer logistics. To celebrate our launch, we are currently running a special pre-order promotion:

15% OFF for Pre-orders
We offered this discount for the first 4 orders to get the ball rolling. The response has been fantastic, and we are down to the very last spot! If you've been eyeing the Echo for your next build, this is the perfect moment to grab it at a significantly lower price before we move to regular retail.


Pre-order pricing:

   
• VoiceVelo ECHO VO Frameset 1699$ --> 1444$
• VFV R1 Integrated handlebar with 10mm rise 329$ -->279$

Get in touch with us:
Whether you have questions about geometry, tire clearance, or shipping times, feel free to reach out to us directly. We want to be as transparent as possible with the community.

Website: https://thebikelab.pl/ (http://www.thebikelab.pl)

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebikelab_pl/

We're looking forward to seeing more Echo builds hitting the European roads soon!

Can I be this fourth person? :)

I finally got my pirelli 34C tires. On my rims with an inner width of 25mm, they swelled up to 36C. The gaps of this frame are amazing - I'm sure I could put 38C or even 40C. Of course, the rear 36C gives you a high level of comfort, I recommend you try it.

Quote from: aeroquest on April 22, 2026, 08:15:46 AM
I finally got my pirelli 34C tires. On my rims with an inner width of 25mm, they swelled up to 36C. The gaps of this frame are amazing - I'm sure I could put 38C or even 40C. Of course, the rear 36C gives you a high level of comfort, I recommend you try it.

Would you post a pic?!

Quote from: rolypoly on April 22, 2026, 05:29:49 PM
Would you post a pic?!

I second this request, and would add for a couple of pics- gap at the fork, gap to the seatpost, gaps at the chains and seat stays.

All right

I finally installed 160mm carbon crank arms on my VoiceVelo. It's even more amazing now. My dream bike is finally complete.

A question on the fork crown: the design is very similar to the Incolor Speedster. Is this also a dirt drawer that might rub off the paint?

Do we have frame set weights painted?

And how much does the stock special post weigh?

Does the listed frame set weight?  Include this

Wish there was distributor in Australia

Quote from: Szymon on April 19, 2026, 07:05:05 PM
Can I be this fourth person? :)

Wish there was a distributor in Australia :/

Quote from: ausmtb8989 on April 28, 2026, 02:52:17 PM
Wish there was distributor in Australia Wish there was a distributor in Australia :/

There is! Velo Vibe Adelaide.

I ordered the purple color version, but I can't decide whether I should go with a rainbow chain or the SRAM Force purple chain :D

Does anyone know how does it look with XXL (58) size? There was geo chart for that size a few pages back. Did they ever put it in production, will it ever be available on padapodium?
That XL (56) is a bit to small for me, but that XXL (58) looks pretty perfect.

Anyone know what's going on with Voicevelo?  Website showing $0, and pandapodium doesn't list the VO frame anymore.

Quote from: KRoser on May 14, 2026, 03:04:22 AM
Does anyone know how does it look with XXL (58) size? There was geo chart for that size a few pages back. Did they ever put it in production, will it ever be available on padapodium?
That XL (56) is a bit to small for me, but that XXL (58) looks pretty perfect.

I tried to convince VoiceVelo to produce it; everyone's talking about it—but when I checked the actual interest through a survey, only five people filled it out over two and a half months.

Quote from: ausmtb8989 on May 28, 2026, 02:12:23 PM
Anyone know what's going on with Voicevelo?  Website showing $0, and pandapodium doesn't list the VO frame anymore.

Official website never listed price for Echo - it is 0$ since i remember.

About VO version - out of stock, everything is sold  ::)

We have two VO framesets (Black and Purple in size L) on the way to EU.

Quote from: BikeLab on May 28, 2026, 03:57:28 PM
I tried to convince VoiceVelo to produce it; everyone's talking about it—but when I checked the actual interest through a survey, only five people filled it out over two and a half months.

Keep pushing, I would say :)

Voicevelo Echo in time trial configuration  :)

I'm 1.68m tall with a 78cm inseam and ride a Canyon Aeroad in XS and a Seka Spear in S; what would you recommend for the Voice—size S or M?
Does anyone with similar measurements have any experience with it?

Quote from: BikeLab on May 28, 2026, 03:57:28 PM
I tried to convince VoiceVelo to produce it; everyone's talking about it—but when I checked the actual interest through a survey, only five people filled it out over two and a half months.

Official website never listed price for Echo - it is 0$ since i remember.

About VO version - out of stock, everything is sold  ::)

We have two VO framesets (Black and Purple in size L) on the way to EU.

When are you expecting a restock of XL Abyss Black VO framesets and 400x140 handlebars?

Quote from: Bike.Man on June 21, 2026, 05:50:07 AM
I'm 1.68m tall with a 78cm inseam and ride a Canyon Aeroad in XS and a Seka Spear in S; what would you recommend for the Voice—size S or M?
Does anyone with similar measurements have any experience with it?

Anything bigger than S might be too long.

VoiceVelo integrated handlebars have 10mm rise so geometry match Aeroad (but VoiceVelo have much steeper seat tube).

Quote from: BikeLab on June 24, 2026, 01:42:19 AM
Anything bigger than S might be too long.

VoiceVelo integrated handlebars have 10mm rise so geometry match Aeroad (but VoiceVelo have much steeper seat tube).

Thanks for the reply ☺️
Unfortunately, Voice didn't produce the R1 handlebar in 80mm—otherwise, size M might theoretically have fit—but as it stands, I'll definitely go for the S and the 90/380 handlebar. Now I just have to wait for the next discount promotion 😉

Anyone know if the R1 handlebar is compatible with the Garmin Edge 10x0 series even in the longer 130/140mm versions? I read somewhere that it doesnt fit the longer version handlebars.

Quote from: giorgiobuccio on March 28, 2026, 01:41:35 PM
Hi everyone, a quick update from Italy.
Today I won a circuit race with this beautiful machine. I attacked with about 800 meters to go and managed to hold off the group until the finish.

I'm really happy with this bike — especially the handlebar, the stiffness is really impressive. In fact, I'm ordering another one to mount on my other bike.

And with deep-section wheels, it also looks absolutely stunning.

I was actually eyeing the Yellow Echo, but ever since I saw your build, I'm not so sure anymore 😄 Could you post a few more photos? That would be great 😊
Also, how happy are you with the Chaser rotors? They're only 1.6mm thick instead of the usual 1.8mm 😬 How does the performance hold up with the Ultegra setup?

I pulled the trigger on a purple one. Dominik from BikeLab has been really helpful, everything went smoothly! Now the wait begins  :D  :D

Just wanted to add my Echo build.
Spent about 1200km on it now and love the feel of the bike.
Its built with Ltwoo Erx, Shimano Dura-ace chain, ultegra cassette and the wheels are a mix of Sernenade wavy rims and goldix hubs. Then i use the magene teo 170mm crankset with powermeter.

After some hurdles with the buildup it has been really smooth.

Upgrades to come are 20mm longer stem to change my position a little bit and the wheels will be changed to a set of Zen wheels. Just should decied of what.

anyone know if the tire clearance is WAM? would be interested only if I can fit 35mm WAM safely with a shimano FD for 2x

Has anyone tried to use the krueza apex handlebar instead?

How can you actually order this frame? On the VoiceVelobsite they are all 0 $ and polish distributor shows no stock?

Quote from: glitch on July 26, 2026, 02:32:57 AM
How can you actually order this frame? On the VoiceVelobsite they are all 0 $ and polish distributor shows no stock?

You can order the frame directly from Voice Velo, from Panda Podium, or from a supplier in Poland; any of these dealers can supply it. The stock status display is accurate and has always been that way. The only catch is that the 80mm handlebar is listed as an option for the Panda models, but it doesn't actually exist—it isn't even being manufactured.

Voicevelo ECHO & TooT M3

Quote from: aeroquest on August 08, 2026, 02:55:06 AM
Voicevelo ECHO & TooT M3

What happened to your handlebars 🫣🫪

Long arms of course

Quote from: aeroquest on August 08, 2026, 02:55:06 AM
Voicevelo ECHO & TooT M3

Holy mother of dragons, that's a vile looking setup! Kudos for trying to find an aero fit though. Do you mind listing your measurements and how you picked the equipment? The bike looks awful but your position on the bike looks pretty normal, so it would be useful to know more.
Have you tried descending with it? Do you use it only on the flat?

Quote from: Serge_K on August 08, 2026, 07:22:07 AM
Holy mother of dragons, that's a vile looking setup! Kudos for trying to find an aero fit though. Do you mind listing your measurements and how you picked the equipment? The bike looks awful but your position on the bike looks pretty normal, so it would be useful to know more.
Have you tried descending with it? Do you use it only on the flat?

I'm 182 cm tall, with long legs, and I ride a size 56 frame. I have a 110 mm +6° stem, and the rest of the reach comes from the handlebar itself. 😄

I literally live in the mountains, at around 800 metres above sea level. So yes, I've already done some mountain descents with the M3, and the control is simply excellent, especially when riding in the drops.

Actually, even the top position on this handlebar feels much more stable and gives me better control than, for example, my previous 340 mm BikeDoc handlebar.

For example, in this activity I was descending a fairly easy mountain road, but I'm confident that I could handle a proper winding mountain road with the M3 very well too:
https://www.strava.com/activities/19606978356/segments/3519933409640855456

This bike is a gem, amazing.

Has anybody managed to model a Garmin Radar holder for the seatpost?

I managed to get one built.

https://makerworld.com/en/models/3392347-voicevelo-echo-radar-garmin-varia-mount

I'm curious to see what this frame would look like with one of the new riser bars installed. Made this quick dirty mockup to give myself a visual. I don't hate it  :-X

Quote from: giorgiobuccio on March 28, 2026, 01:41:35 PM
Hi everyone, a quick update from Italy.
Today I won a circuit race with this beautiful machine. I attacked with about 800 meters to go and managed to hold off the group until the finish.

I'm really happy with this bike — especially the handlebar, the stiffness is really impressive. In fact, I'm ordering another one to mount on my other bike.

And with deep-section wheels, it also looks absolutely stunning.

Very nice, congratulations!

So, it's an XL/56 frame with a saddle height (center of bottom bracket to seat) of 77 cm.

May I ask for the measurement of the exposed seatpost—specifically from the underside of the saddle rails to the top of the seat tube (see the yellow line in the photo)?

Feel free to send a PM if you prefer, but I'd like to know the details of the wheels (weight, internal rim width, and external width).

Finally, if it's not too much trouble, could you post a photo of the seatpost clamp taken from above?

Thanks a lot, and congratulations again on the bike... it's truly impressive, even in the time-trial setup!

Quote from: TheBikeLab on February 19, 2026, 07:41:38 AM
We've been following the discussions around the VoiceVelo Echo road frame with great interest, and today we have some exciting news to share with you all.

We are proud to announce that we have officially become the authorized distributor for VoiceVelo in Europe! Our goal is to make these high-performance frames more accessible to the European market, providing local support and clearer logistics. To celebrate our launch, we are currently running a special pre-order promotion:

15% OFF for Pre-orders
We offered this discount for the first 4 orders to get the ball rolling. The response has been fantastic, and we are down to the very last spot! If you've been eyeing the Echo for your next build, this is the perfect moment to grab it at a significantly lower price before we move to regular retail.


Pre-order pricing:

   
• VoiceVelo ECHO VO Frameset 1699$ --> 1444$
• VFV R1 Integrated handlebar with 10mm rise 329$ -->279$

Get in touch with us:
Whether you have questions about geometry, tire clearance, or shipping times, feel free to reach out to us directly. We want to be as transparent as possible with the community.

Website: https://thebikelab.pl/ (http://www.thebikelab.pl)

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thebikelab_pl/

We're looking forward to seeing more Echo builds hitting the European roads soon!

Are there other versions of the seatpost (with a different offset and/or without the "hole")?

Quote from: Bonus79 on October 06, 2026, 09:05:18 AM
Very nice, congratulations!

So, it's an XL/56 frame with a saddle height (center of bottom bracket to seat) of 77 cm.

May I ask for the measurement of the exposed seatpost—specifically from the underside of the saddle rails to the top of the seat tube (see the yellow line in the photo)?

Feel free to send a PM if you prefer, but I'd like to know the details of the wheels (weight, internal rim width, and external width).

Finally, if it's not too much trouble, could you post a photo of the seatpost clamp taken from above?

Thanks a lot, and congratulations again on the bike... it's truly impressive, even in the time-trial setup!

Hi, sorry! That photo is from the Velo catalogue, so it's not my bike. I don't know the measurements you asked about or what wheels they are. I think the wheels are just a render with a made-up brand name. At least, I don't know that brand.

I've attached a photo of the seatpost clamp taken apart. It may look damaged, but that's just grease. The clamp is not damaged.

Unfortunately, I had a big problem with noise from the seatpost. There was no noise at first, but after a few months, when the weather got warmer, it became very annoying. I tried cleaning everything and using carbon paste, but it didn't help. Chris kindly sent me a modified seatpost from China for free, but that didn't solve the problem either.

I rode for months with this noise. It was clearly caused by very small sideways movements of the seatpost inside the frame. This can happen with Western brands too. Even a very small gap can cause it. It became so annoying that I was almost ready to send the frame back or find another solution with Chris.

In the end, a mechanic solved it with threadlocker on the clamp and an extra layer of epoxy resin. I'm not sure exactly what resin he used. He told me it was a product used to make shower trays less slippery.

This almost completely solved the problem. Now I only hear some noise during races, when I push very hard, for example when accelerating while seated. That puts a lot of twisting force on the seatpost. I haven't read about anyone else having this problem, so I think I was just unlucky. The main thing is that it's almost completely solved now.

The other thing I've had some trouble with is also one of the things I like most: the handlebar is really stiff. It's excellent in that respect. When you try another bike with a slightly wider and more flexible handlebar, it feels like it's made of paper.

But bumps and vibrations are hard on my wrists, also because of the unusual shape of the handlebar. I ride this bike every day, and the wrist pain has become a problem. I can manage it, but it can be quite painful. I think a stem 1 cm shorter would let me hold the hoods more comfortably and would probably help.

Overall, I really like the bike and I'm happy I bought it.

I've had a similar experience with noise issues from the seat post.
Cleaning and reapplying carbon past only helped to a point but the noise inevitably comes back not too long after.

Quote from: JD123 on October 07, 2026, 03:59:48 PM
I've had a similar experience with noise issues from the seat post.
Cleaning and reapplying carbon past only helped to a point but the noise inevitably comes back not too long after.

Do you mean with this bike model or with other bikes?

The mechanic who fixed mine told me that, in his experience, carbon paste often doesn't work with these newer aero seatpost shapes. He said he needed to add a layer of epoxy resin to make the seatpost slightly thicker.

Chris had already tried something similar. The replacement seatpost he sent me had a rough coating instead of a smooth surface. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough. I think the mechanic added another coat of this special resin, which he said is used to make shower trays less slippery. That solved the problem.

I don't hear any noise when training on the indoor trainer. As I said, it only happens for a few seconds during races, for example when coming out of a corner and pushing over 500 watts. In those moments, I can still hear that very annoying noise, but I would say we've pretty much solved the problem.

As I said, even a tiny gap between the seatpost and the frame can cause noise with carbon parts. Unfortunately, this also happens with Western brands that cost thousands of euros more.

Yep, noisy seat post with the VoiceVelo Echo.
I might see if I can get my hands on another seat post before I start getting too creative.

Quote from: giorgiobuccio on October 07, 2026, 01:49:13 PM
Hi, sorry! That photo is from the Velo catalogue, so it's not my bike. I don't know the measurements you asked about or what wheels they are. I think the wheels are just a render with a made-up brand name. At least, I don't know that brand.

I've attached a photo of the seatpost clamp taken apart. It may look damaged, but that's just grease. The clamp is not damaged.

Unfortunately, I had a big problem with noise from the seatpost. There was no noise at first, but after a few months, when the weather got warmer, it became very annoying. I tried cleaning everything and using carbon paste, but it didn't help. Chris kindly sent me a modified seatpost from China for free, but that didn't solve the problem either.

I rode for months with this noise. It was clearly caused by very small sideways movements of the seatpost inside the frame. This can happen with Western brands too. Even a very small gap can cause it. It became so annoying that I was almost ready to send the frame back or find another solution with Chris.

In the end, a mechanic solved it with threadlocker on the clamp and an extra layer of epoxy resin. I'm not sure exactly what resin he used. He told me it was a product used to make shower trays less slippery.

This almost completely solved the problem. Now I only hear some noise during races, when I push very hard, for example when accelerating while seated. That puts a lot of twisting force on the seatpost. I haven't read about anyone else having this problem, so I think I was just unlucky. The main thing is that it's almost completely solved now.

The other thing I've had some trouble with is also one of the things I like most: the handlebar is really stiff. It's excellent in that respect. When you try another bike with a slightly wider and more flexible handlebar, it feels like it's made of paper.

But bumps and vibrations are hard on my wrists, also because of the unusual shape of the handlebar. I ride this bike every day, and the wrist pain has become a problem. I can manage it, but it can be quite painful. I think a stem 1 cm shorter would let me hold the hoods more comfortably and would probably help.

Overall, I really like the bike and I'm happy I bought it.

Sorry, the photo I posted (just to show you which measurement I was interested in) probably caused some confusion... when you have a moment, could you take that measurement on your bike (see yellow line)?

I read your posts in this thread and saw your Echo with 60/65mm wheels... I was interested in those wheels, not the ones in the photo.  ;D

As for the noise, I gather it's caused by excessive tolerances between the frame and seatpost... however, I was wondering if the "split" design of the seatpost might be contributing to or exacerbating the issue (given the increased flex it offers).

I hope Voicevelo finds a definitive solution to the problem.

Thanks.

PS: If I'm not mistaken, we're fellow countrymen, so if you'd prefer to reply in Italian via PM, we might understand each other better.

@TheBikeLab can you tell us something about the UCI homologation request?

Thanks

Quote from: Bonus79 on October 08, 2026, 03:33:46 AM
@TheBikeLab can you tell us something about the UCI homologation request?

Thanks

I spoke about UCI certification with VoiceVelo yesterday - They told me that all drawings and documentation is approved by UCI. The procedure will now proceed to physical product inspection.

Quote from: TheBikeLab on October 08, 2026, 05:24:36 AM
I spoke about UCI certification with VoiceVelo yesterday - They told me that all drawings and documentation is approved by UCI. The procedure will now proceed to physical product inspection.

What do they say regarding the noise issues caused by the seatpost?

Do they plan to modify it, or is it limited to applying a layer of anti-slip paint?

Is it possible to know if there are other versions of the seatpost with different offsets and/or without the "hole"?

Thanks.

Quote from: Bonus79 on October 08, 2026, 07:54:27 AM
What do they say regarding the noise issues caused by the seatpost?

Do they plan to modify it, or is it limited to applying a layer of anti-slip paint?

Is it possible to know if there are other versions of the seatpost with different offsets and/or without the "hole"?

Thanks.

Im sorry, but i dont know anything about noise issues casued by the seatpost. I did not sell frameset to giorgio and that case wasnt consulted with me.

There are no other seatposts available.

Quote from: TheBikeLab on October 08, 2026, 08:16:18 AM

Im sorry, but i dont know anything about noise issues casued by the seatpost. I did not sell frameset to giorgio and that case wasnt consulted with me.

There are no other seatposts available.

Thanks

I was understand that they were aware of the problem and had added a layer of anti-slip paint... which, according to what @giorgiobuccio wrote, didn't solve it.

Quote from: casper.f on March 12, 2026, 03:23:39 AM
The 73° listed is the effective seat tube angle (measured from the BB center to the seat clamp), but the actual seatpost angle is significantly steeper.

Ultimately, your body doesn't care about frame angles; it only cares about saddle height and saddle setback relative to the bottom bracket.
If you are on a size 58 with a high saddle extension, the seatpost follows that steeper trajectory. This means your saddle will not move as far backward as it would on a frame with a true, continuous 73° angle.

Seatpost angle (quickly measured in canva) 80°
Some gemini calculations:

Saddle Height	Inseam	Rider height	Fit Context for Size 58	Equivalent STA (Measured 80° Physical ASTA)
700mm	793mm	168-175cm	Too low for this frame. Requires minimal seatpost extension.	74.35°
750mm	849mm	176-183cm	Lower end of the fit window.	74.73°
800mm	906mm	185-192cm	Target demographic. High extension activating the steeper ASTA.	75.06°
850mm	963mm	195cm+	Extreme extension. Saddle position will shift drastically forward.	75.35°

Came to similar conclusions analysing a different frame with Cervelo S5-ish design. IMHO, with such eSTAs, the frame reach is undersized, especially for larger sizes (but I haven't checked seatpost offset)

Quote from: Bonus79 on October 08, 2026, 08:35:05 AM
Thanks

I was understand that they were aware of the problem and had added a layer of anti-slip paint... which, according to what @giorgiobuccio wrote, didn't solve it.

I really don't think this is a widespread problem with this frame. I think I was just unlucky.

Even frames of the same model can have small differences in dimensions. If the opening in the frame is slightly larger and the seatpost is slightly smaller, the fit may be less precise and cause problems. So you can be unlucky with a particular frame and seatpost combination, while other people have no issues with the same model.

Problems around the saddle and seatpost are more common than you might expect: seatposts can slip, and saddles can tilt because the clamp doesn't hold them properly. This is a sensitive area on many frames, including those from Western brands. It's not something specific to this product.

At first, I received a seatpost with a smooth surface. After I explained the problem to Chris, they sent me another one with a rough, anti-slip coating to help stop it slipping. Similar solutions have also been used by Western brands.

I'm not trying to blame anyone. Unfortunately, these things happen. My case was quite bad, but we managed to fix it. I think I was simply a bit unlucky. Even very small movements can cause a lot of noise, because the hollow carbon frame amplifies the sound.

Quote from: giorgiobuccio on October 08, 2026, 04:08:19 PM
I really don't think this is a widespread problem with this frame. I think I was just unlucky.

Even frames of the same model can have small differences in dimensions. If the opening in the frame is slightly larger and the seatpost is slightly smaller, the fit may be less precise and cause problems. So you can be unlucky with a particular frame and seatpost combination, while other people have no issues with the same model.

Problems around the saddle and seatpost are more common than you might expect: seatposts can slip, and saddles can tilt because the clamp doesn't hold them properly. This is a sensitive area on many frames, including those from Western brands. It's not something specific to this product.

At first, I received a seatpost with a smooth surface. After I explained the problem to Chris, they sent me another one with a rough, anti-slip coating to help stop it slipping. Similar solutions have also been used by Western brands.

I'm not trying to blame anyone. Unfortunately, these things happen. My case was quite bad, but we managed to fix it. I think I was simply a bit unlucky. Even very small movements can cause a lot of noise, because the hollow carbon frame amplifies the sound.

I have no idea how widespread the problem might be, but in this discussion, three or four users have experienced an issue similar to yours.

While it is true that in some cases applying electrical tape to the end of the seatpost was enough to fix it, considering we are talking about a $1,400–$1,700 frame, such problems really shouldn't occur (and let me be clear: this applies to Western-made frames as well).

So in the end, is the issue with the seatpost itself or the block that's screwed in to hold it in place?

Quote from: h0use on October 11, 2026, 06:54:28 AM
So in the end, is the issue with the seatpost itself or the block that's screwed in to hold it in place?

In my case, the problem is not the seat clamp. The seatpost never slipped down, not even with the original smooth one. The issue is probably the inside of the frame: it left a very small gap that allowed the seatpost to move side to side, causing that noise.

I noticed the clamp tended to loosen over time, but that wasn't the real issue. Sometimes tightening it helped for a while, and other times it changed nothing. The only thing that actually fixed it was thickening the seatpost with extra resin.

By adding extra resin to make it thicker, the problem is almost completely gone.

Hmm, interesting. My seatpost clearance is very tight, pushing it down or pulling up is very difficult

I've been having squeaking come from Sram RD which I got fixed by getting a new RD with warranty.

Hi at all,
I've ordered my VoiceVelo Echo at The Bike Lab. Dominik was really helpful and answered all my questions.
Looking forward to the day it will be delivered.

Can someone tell me if there is a good Garmin Varia Mount for the seatpost and if it's posible to use a 160mm rotor at the back break?

Quote from: TheBikeLab on October 08, 2026, 08:16:18 AM

Im sorry, but i dont know anything about noise issues casued by the seatpost. I did not sell frameset to giorgio and that case wasnt consulted with me.

There are no other seatposts available.

Any discount for shipping to Spain? Thanks

Quote from: juergenZ on October 14, 2026, 11:34:04 AMHi at all,
I've ordered my VoiceVelo Echo at The Bike Lab. Dominik was really helpful and answered all my questions.
Looking forward to the day it will be delivered.

Can someone tell me if there is a good Garmin Varia Mount for the seatpost and if it's posible to use a 160mm rotor at the back break?

Yes, I made one. Scroll up a bit and you'll see the link




edit:

https://makerworld.com/en/models/3392347-voicevelo-echo-radar-garmin-varia-mount#profileId-3861214



Added another file, fully flat printable so it's stronger

https://chat.whatsapp.com/I1p4rWVYNTcGWNp2C7bPPp?s=cl&p=a&mlu=4&ilr=4


Also here's a WhatsApp group for the Echo owners if anybody wants to join

Build video from Polish rider: https://youtu.be/HR6CUVWYI8M?is=l_rRPSWznPpP-t_a

Quote from: TheBikeLab on March 12, 2026, 08:22:09 AMThats right - actual seatpost angle is about 80°

With saddle height at 800mm (from center BB to saddle top) and using Selle Italia SLR that is 248mm long and has 50mm regulation on rails You can have 50-95mm saddle setback (there is 45-90mm on screenshot but seatpost has 5mm offset).

EDIT:

In my calculations, I also did not take into account the width of the saddle mount, which limits our ability to extend the saddle forward or backward. Probably more realistic setback values for a saddle at this height are 65-85mm (including a 5mm offset).

EDIT2:

According to my calculations, if the width of the saddle holder is 30mm, the possible setback presents itself as follows:

Saddle Height               Possible offset
750mm                        57-77mm
800mm                        65-85mm
850mm                        74-94mm

This photo shows the true STA (BB to saddle) is not far off from regular bikes at regular seatpost heights. These offset seatposts really obfuscate fit calculations. Im not even sure they are that progressive TBH as it really depends on their angle/offset. They look cool though