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Other Resources => Component Deals & Selection => Topic started by: Sebastian on August 14, 2025, 01:00:04 AM
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Does anybody know anything about these?
https://a.aliexpress.com/_Ezhn3ts
They are available for a rather competitive price ATM. My Magene PM died and since I’m thinking about trying shorter cranks anyway, I’m eyeing these. Not a fan of the proprietary spider interface, though.
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I remember xcadey say their spider mount is actually cross compatible with sram 3 bolt gxp mount.
I have 2 xcadey power meters, one was really accurate compared to my home trainer, and the other was completely off. We are talking +100 watts more. However you can adjust the power in their app, so after calibrating to my home trainer it's now perfect.
So in essence, I would only advise to buy an xcadey powermeter, if you have something to compare the watts to.
That price for carbon cranks + pm is really nice tbh. I paid about +400 usd for lexon carbon cranks and xcadey pm.
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The listing isn't very complete. Only the title and one picture have the PM. I would be extra cautious and make sure the price isn't just for the cranks. I also find it hideous, but that's just my taste
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The crank + PM is 519 EUR on Xcadey’s website. I’ve asked the shop what is included. I’ll see what they say.
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I'm also curious, but I'd guess this offer is without PM. If the PM would be included, the price would be competitive. The crank itself isn't any lighter than the leese (but looks better to me :)). Both my xcadey PMs work great.
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The seller confirmed to me twice that the listing does indeed include the cranks and the PM.
I ordered a set. Apparently they only have the PM in the 4bolt Shimano configuration. That’s fine with me.
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wow, this would be great! Please report back :)
Is the shimano 4-bolt standard the same as the "normal" 110 bcd? Or is there special attention needed when looking for compatible chain rings?
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wow, this would be great! Please report back :)
Is the shimano 4-bolt standard the same as the "normal" 110 bcd? Or is there special attention needed when looking for compatible chain rings?
It's 110 BCD with 4 bolts. BCD 110 and 130 with 5 bolts used to be more or less the de facto standard for the longest time. Not so much anymore these days.
The 4 bolt interface is compatible with original Shimano chainrings. Well, and there's plenty of aftermarket chainrings for Shimano cranks on Ali and everywhere else. So finding compatible chainrings shouldn't be much of a problem.
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Turns out it’s not that simple. I asked the seller about chainring compatibility and they said that the crank is only compatible with Xcadey’s own chainrings. When checking the Xcadey website, it says there that the PM has the BCD110 4H road standard. Whatever that means. So I asked the European distributor if these cranks are compatible with Shimano chainrings and they wrote:
“Yes, it’s compatible with spider 110BCD 4s”
I was under rhe assumption that this PM uses basically the same BCD pattern as the Magene spiders and all the others on Aliexpress and is therefore compatible with the available aftermarket chainrings from Stone, Zrace and the like and also with Shimano chainrings. Maybe someone with a PES515 crankset can chime in. This appears to have the same standard.
I’m a bit confused now whether I will have to buy new chainrings or can just mount the Ultegra rings that I got on my Magene P505 currently.
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Pes is 110bcd
Also talked with Ali vendor, pricing makes no sense:
XCadey alone, $290
XCadey and chainring $290
XCadey, chainring and SLX crankset $275
SLX with chainring sells for $60 on same shop.
Allowing for some extra savings for larger order, I offered $230 for XCadey alone. They have it in SRAM 3 bolt interface to mate with my Riro carbon crankset and I’ll get a passquest ring…
XCadey is available with different chainring and crankset interfaces:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLjXKB7
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I suspect the confusion is the difference between which chainrings can mount direct to the crank and which fit with a power meter/spider fitted.
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I agree. The pricing makes no sense at all. I’ll see what eventually turns up and I guess I’ll try to put my Shimano chainrings on there. If that won’t fit, I get aftermarket chainrings.
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The seller replied:
“I asked the staff of Xcadey, and they said that general chainring and 4-hole 110bcd are compatible.”
So, I reckon that this the spider does indeed just have the regular 4 bolt pattern that Shimano and all the aftermarket chainrings use.
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I agree. The pricing makes no sense at all. I’ll see what eventually turns up and I guess I’ll try to put my Shimano chainrings on there. If that won’t fit, I get aftermarket chainrings.
Their response to my request of more logical pricing: you can buy direct from XCadey lol
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I also ordered these cranks as seems good price with coupon, albeit not much info available about them. Seller just messaged me a couple of things that might be helpful to others:
- "The screw on our right crank is incorrectly marked as 40-50Nm. In fact, it needs to be tightened to 35-40Nm. Please do not tighten it according to our marked 45-50Nm."
- And they say 175 is "out of stock" and would I be ok with 172.5? Unless somebody knows otherwise, I suspect that 175 may not exist (given sizes listed elsewhere).
I might personally go ahead with this shorter crank as I don't think it really matters that much (and already use 170 on the trainer as a compromise with my OH). Worst case can use the PM on some other Easton standard cranks...
Edit: per a comment above, sounds as if PM is 3 bolt compatible, not Easton.
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XCadey uses their own 5 bolt pattern, no other cranks use it. It looks kinda similar to the SRAM three bolt but with the bolts in a pentagon rather than a triangle. Not sure of any cross compatibility.
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XCadey uses their own 5 bolt pattern, no other cranks use it. It looks kinda similar to the SRAM three bolt but with the bolts in a pentagon rather than a triangle. Not sure of any cross compatibility.
I'll verify if it's cross compatible with Sram's 3 bolt pattern, when it arrives. It should be here this week.
The Xcadey PM obviously has 5 bolts. I have various Sram spiders and a broken Magene PM with 3 bolts lying around. I'll see if they fit.
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I'll verify if it's cross compatible with Sram's 3 bolt pattern, when it arrives. It should be here this week.
The Xcadey PM obviously has 5 bolts. I have various Sram spiders and a broken Magene PM with 3 bolts lying around. I'll see if they fit.
Thanks - it'd be excellent if you can test both ways (i.e. whether a 3-bolt PM fits on the XCadey crank, and whether the XCadey 5-bolt PM fits on a 3-bolt crank).
Looks from the cutout pattern that it probably should but looks can be deceiving!
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I’d be a worried that transferring the torque through 3 bolts rather than 5 results in the mounts on the XCadey shearing.
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I’d be a worried that transferring the torque through 3 bolts rather than 5 results in the mounts on the XCadey shearing.
Most of the torque would be transferred trough the splined interface, if the fit is correct, and not through the bolts.
I've had good experience with a XCadey Gen 2 spider power meter on my MTB (The 3-bolt 104BCD version). So pulled the trigger on this crank+PM to replace a faulty 4iii (left-crank based) PM on my road bike.
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Not super familar with SRAM standards but yes can see 3 bolt might potentially fit (albeit not necessarily a good idea!) 3 bolt is out-dated anyway, so does seem if you get this PM you will be committed to those Xcady cranks. ~£300 seems a decent deal for PM carbon crankset but there is just so little information about these cranks and they're not 'that' cheap... (going to price up other options, and might cancel)
Note that vendor has offered the old xcadey alu crankset if I really want 175. Limited value in that given goal was to lose weight compared to Ultegra with LHS PM (might as well get Magene P515)!
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Not super familar with SRAM standards but yes can see 3 bolt might potentially fit (albeit not necessarily a good idea!) 3 bolt is out-dated anyway, so does seem if you get this PM you will be committed to those Xcady cranks. ~£300 seems a decent deal for PM carbon crankset but there is just so little information about these cranks and they're not 'that' cheap... (going to price up other options, and might cancel)
Note that vendor has offered the old xcadey alu crankset if I really want 175. Limited value in that given goal was to lose weight compared to Ultegra with LHS PM (might as well get Magene P515)!
It is cheap for what it is - a carbon crank with 24mm titanium spindle. From what I can see, there's no cheaper option than that for an equivalent spec. A Leese Pro with an XCadey Easton power meter comes pretty close at about $380 USD.
You'd probably be the only person left wanting a 175mm crank in this world where everyone is going shorter! I'm not surprised that most manufacturers would not even make them any more for new models with demand so low.
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Most of the torque would be transferred trough the splined interface, if the fit is correct, and not through the bolts.
I've had good experience with a XCadey Gen 2 spider power meter on my MTB (The 3-bolt 104BCD version). So pulled the trigger on this crank+PM to replace a faulty 4iii (left-crank based) PM on my road bike.
The torque between the chainring and the PM is transmettez through the bolts, the interface between the chainring and the crank is just another point on transmission as far as I understand it.
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The splined interfaces would be making direct contact way before there would be any significant shear stress going through the bolts. To get to that much force on the bolts, that entire splined interface would have to fail and shear off, and that's just not happening at human torques. Besides, no reason for 3 bolts on xcadey to be weaker than 3 bolts on standard sram. It's supposed to be the exact same design, just adding another two bolts, presumably to get around the patent.
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I have the old gen 1 pm, and the 5 bolt design is compatible with SRAM 3 bolt. It's likely the same thing here.
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Is this only cransket or cransket+ power meter?
Because the description on AliExpress page says nothing about power meter.
It's also pretty heavy. Bigrock is better option for 24mm imo.
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I'm very interested in those cranks, but I really do need more info before buying them, what is axle's length, how much does this powermeter goes back to bottom bracket, what is the diameter of powermeter's inner circle from bb side (I have t47 bb, so I want to check twice that the PM won't rub my frame and vice versa). Hope to hear these parameters from Sebastian.
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Got my cranks today.
I can confirm that it’s the cranks and the PM in the legit original Xcadey packaging, including a very good installation manual and instructions etc.
The spider interface definitely looks to be SRAM compatible. Haven’t tried it but I’m 99% sure.
Pictures and weights to follow.
Edit: I paid 371 EUR. DHL asked for another 17 EUR of customs and handling fee upon arrival. So 388 EUR in total. The seller did not offer any shipping method with customs clearance included. So be aware that there is a risk involved.
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Awesome news! Then this is considerably cheaper than "leese + xcadey PM" and similar in weight. Great find, thank you!
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Got my cranks today.
I can confirm that it’s the cranks and the PM in the legit original Xcadey packaging, including a very good installation manual and instructions etc.
The spider interface definitely looks to be SRAM compatible. Haven’t tried it but I’m 99% sure.
Pictures and weights to follow.
Edit: I paid 371 EUR. DHL asked for another 17 EUR of customs and handling fee upon arrival. So 388 EUR in total. The seller did not offer any shipping method with customs clearance included. So be aware that there is a risk involved.
Show us some photos when mounted. What is the weight of the full setup cranksets+ pm
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I just received mine today. 500g for 165mm crankarms and power meter spider. The spindle is titanium. I have Shimano Ultegra R8100 52-36 chainrings that are 164g with the bolts.
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Keen for any confirmation of compatibility with T47 (Trek Emonda)
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I'm very interested in those cranks, but I really do need more info before buying them, what is axle's length, how much does this powermeter goes back to bottom bracket, what is the diameter of powermeter's inner circle from bb side (I have t47 bb, so I want to check twice that the PM won't rub my frame and vice versa). Hope to hear these parameters from Sebastian.
Keen for any confirmation of compatibility with T47 (Trek Emonda)
I don't have a T47 BB, but the 'well' in the spider/power meter where the BB sits is around 55mm diameter, but there is a rounded edge at the bottom so it decreases to around 53.5mm. The well is 4.4mm deep, so that's how much the PM overhangs the BB.
The axle is 107.3mm from the preload adjuster, minus 12.5mm for the depth of the splines where it mates with the right side.
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Oh and you also get some axle spacers. 2 each of: 0.5mm, 1mm, 2mm. The instructions say to use a 2mm on each side. So that will give you some extra clearance from the frame.
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Sorry for the late reply. Had a minor bike crash and broke my hand. That needed sorting out first.
So here's the pics with weights. Crank length is 170. I went down from 175 and I have to say I like it.
I completed two rides before I crashed. The crank feels VERY stiff. Mounting it was easy. I really like the aluminium preload adjuster. Feels very solid and easy to set up. I haven't done side by side data comparisons with my Assioma pedals but the readings I got from the PM seemed perfectly normal compared to the rides I do with my other PMs.
One big caveat, though: I found it close to impossible to thread pedals into these cranks. The threads in the crank arms almost felt like they were undersized. I eventually managed to mount the DS pedal. On the left crank arm I needed to chase the threads with a tool. And still it was hard to get the pedal in. I confirmed that it wasn't the pedals. I tried three different types of pedals. They all went smoothly into the Sram crank arms that I had on the bike before. Also the thread cutter was very hard to get in. It went totally smoothly and easily into my Sram cranks. So there's that. Buyers beware. I asked the seller if this was some kind of B-stock leftover, but he was adamant that it was properly QC'ed and sourced directly from Xcadey.
Edit: And there is another buyer on Aliexpress reporting the same issue. So it's not a complete one off, apparently.
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Would be so nice if ot wasn't that heavy 😁
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the cranks are roughly 380g including the adjustable spacer. There’s lighter options out there, sure. Sram Red is roughly 340g without spider and chainrings IIRC.
I gotta say though, in terms of stiffness these are an absolute tank. I’ve had multiple variations of Red cranks and these feel stiffer. Which is unsurprising given that the cranks arms are also physically much fatter.
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Sram Red is more like 305-310g.
Bigrock cranksets+ xcadey PM is 464g. Would be nice if Ventus could be around 450g, 504g is a little heavy considering how many lighter options there is on the market.
Anyway waiting to see how this looks on a bike. Send photos of finished builds lads :)
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What tools were required for install other than torque wrench/hex heads - picture looks like something similar to a cassette lockring needed? Also, did it include pedal spacers?
Mine is supposedly in the country (UK). Will let folks know how I get on when it arrives (I have a T47 internal BB). Not liking the sound of having to chase the pedal inserts and was hoping to save a bit more weight over Ultegra (but ok for the price...)
(hope you recover from your crash soon Sebastian)
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What tools were required for install other than torque wrench/hex heads - picture looks like something similar to a cassette lockring needed? Also, did it include pedal spacers?
Mine is supposedly in the country (UK). Will let folks know how I get on when it arrives (I have a T47 internal BB). Not liking the sound of having to chase the pedal inserts and was hoping to save a bit more weight over Ultegra (but ok for the price...)
(hope you recover from your crash soon Sebastian)
Hex Wrench. That's it. The lockring you see there doesn't need to be removed. It's just the integrated puller so the hex screw has something to work against when removing the crank.
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Anyway waiting to see how this looks on a bike. Send photos of finished builds lads :)
There's a million different iterations of Sram Red. I got the wide axle BB30 one with removable spider in 175. That one is 340g. I also have the one piece BB30 version with the hollow carbon spider (exogram) and the shorter BB30 axle. That one is silly light. But it is also the second Sram crank that broke on me. The axle came loose in the NDS crank arm. I got another Force crank where the pedal insert came loose. Carbon repair shop told me to bin it as there's nothing you can do about it.
Anyway, I'm not losing sleep over 40g of crank weight.
Here's the pics you asked for.
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Do you also have the problem that something on the crank screw is making noise, as if a washer or something similar is loose? To check this, you would have to unscrew the cover cap, but I don't know what tool I need for this. Does anyone have any ideas?
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For clarification, I don't think it makes any noise while riding, but when you hold the crank in your hand and shake it, it makes a noise.
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Well, the hex screw is obviously rattling inside the crank when you're holding the DS crank arm. It's trapped behind the locking/puller. As soon as you mount it and tighten down the screw, it's gonna be quiet.
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No, no, that's not what I mean. Even when the crank screw is completely tightened, its still rattling.
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Nope. Absolutely no rattling on mine. Have you checked the obvious? Is everything tightened down? The Torx screws on the
PM were not properly torqued when I got mine. Also the preload adjuster: Make sure that is properly set and tightened.
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There's a million different iterations of Sram Red. I got the wide axle BB30 one with removable spider in 175. That one is 340g. I also have the one piece BB30 version with the hollow carbon spider (exogram) and the shorter BB30 axle. That one is silly light. But it is also the second Sram crank that broke on me. The axle came loose in the NDS crank arm. I got another Force crank where the pedal insert came loose. Carbon repair shop told me to bin it as there's nothing you can do about it.
Anyway, I'm not losing sleep over 40g of crank weight.
Here's the pics you asked for.
This is looking great my friend! The bulky shape of this cransket matches nicely with shapes of your frames. Wheels are also looking great. Lovely build!
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Got mine a couple of days ago, took about three weeks. I also paid a "Einfuhrumsatzsteuer" of 17€. The shop was cheeky with the declared value. So that's obviously a risk when importing. I paid under 300€, great value but also makes me a bit uncomfortable about the quality. All looks good though, finish is pretty clean and the crank itself is really bulky. Weight with spider was 505g, which I actually like, calms my worries over fragility. And it feels really stiff, feels very different, especially when standing up. Power numbers seem fine as well, very similar to the magene PES505, which I had installed before. But (older) Tacx Neo shows lower numbers, but I think that's a problem with the trainer, as I have three PMs and only the Tacx differs. But I have no way of really confirming that at the moment.
Installation was easy enough. I have a BB90 and put a 1mm spacer on the NDS and 2mm on the drive side. Q-factor is on the wider side overall. I also had problems with the pedal threads, very tight tolarences. But carefully and slowly threading it in and out did the job. A little bit of metal shaved of the threads though, not great but fine in the end. The crankarm needs 45nm of torque, did I it without a torque wrench. Chainrings (small Ultegra, big TA specialities) were no Problems with the provided bolts.
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I can confirm this fits with T47 internal BB (Trek)
The instructions call for 2mm spacer on either side, based on a BB width of 91.5mm. My BB measured 90.5mm, so added an extra 0.5mm spacer each side. Q factor seems quite wide, I could probably remove or reduce the thickness of some of the spacers, especially on the non-drive side. PM is very close to the BB shell frame though.
Easy to fit, no issues with pedal threads as reported by others.
Weight 498g for 165mm length (crank and PM only, excl. chainrings, chainring bolts etc).
Maiden voyage to come this evening...
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The Q-factor is wider than most, I can confirm that. Xcadey state 148mm which is almost as much as Sram‘s wide cranks at 150mm. I for one like it, being a bigger guy. But I also don’t find I notice much of a difference to my Campy Record cranks for instance. Those have a q-factor of 145,5.
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Do you also have the problem that something on the crank screw is making noise, as if a washer or something similar is loose? To check this, you would have to unscrew the cover cap, but I don't know what tool I need for this. Does anyone have any ideas?
There should* be a washer between the crank bolt and the extractor cap. It's only used ("loaded") when pulling the crank arm, otherwise it just lives an air gap - free to rattle. No need to unscrew the extractor caps. Just get some grease in there and you're good.
*) As in: Required in accordance with good practice; I don't know if there really is.
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There should* be a washer between the crank bolt and the extractor cap. It's only used ("loaded") when pulling the crank arm, otherwise it just lives an air gap - free to rattle. No need to unscrew the extractor caps. Just get some grease in there and you're good.
*) As in: Required in accordance with good practice; I don't know if there really is.
Thanks mate, that's exactly what I did. However, I first used drip-on chain wax. That got rid of it.
The crank itself is really great. Compared to the Magene P505, it is noticeably stiffer and the chain line is better, slightly further towards the bottom bracket.
The only problem were the miserable pedal threads.
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The only problem were the miserable pedal threads.
I agree. Absolutely atrocious to the point that I’m afraid of taking the pedals off again. I was thinking of getting some lighter pedals down the line but now that they’re in there I think I’ll just leave them.
The stiffness on these is really reassuring. Easily the stiffest cranks I’ve ever used, which is no surprise given how hefty the crankarms look. If you’re using pedals with very short axles/very narrow q-factor and have big feet, you might get rubbing on the DS crankarm, though.
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hi folks,
i'm undecided between this xcadey and the new ZRACE UNCHAINED PRO Carbon Fiber Power Meter Crankset.
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005009523300744.html (https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005009523300744.html)
Does anyone have feedback about the zrace?
thank you
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hi folks,
i'm undecided between this xcadey and the new ZRACE UNCHAINED PRO Carbon Fiber Power Meter Crankset.
https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005009523300744.html (https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005009523300744.html)
Does anyone have feedback about the zrace?
thank you
I would hold off on the ZRace until there's some detailed independent reviews of the Arcrayo power meter that it comes with.
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Also keep in mind the Zrace is Dub vs Ventus 24mm spindle, depending on your BB, 24mm might be better
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Yes. The 24mm spindle and a proven powermeter are why I chose this crankset. I hope it will hold up for longer than my Magene PM.
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As promised, update of my experience for Trek Madone with T47 internal BB:
- Delivery took a few weeks, but no additional charge for delivery in UK (VAT was included at checkout, and I had bought some other items)
- Cost was under £300 with the Ali Express sale at the time
- Weight for the 172.5mm was 500g exactly (excluding spacers and rings)
- No issues with pedal threads (I did give them a clean out first in case there were any debris in there)
- I installed Shimano Ultegra chainrings (52/36)
- I initially installed crank with 2mm spacers each side, but once torqued to (vendor advised) 40 Nm the NDS spindle was completley flush and preload would not move (though cranks did rotate and shifting seemed fine)
- I thought best to reduce spacers on the NDS so tried to remove crank to adjust ... It didn't like it - the DS connector on the spindle kept getting stuck in the BB bearing - the BB bearing ended up coming out with the spindle ... 🤦
- At that point I just let my mechanic install it (I needed him to do other stuff on the bike anyway) - not sure of exact spacer combination he used, but he left enough visible spindle for one turn of preload
Only had one decent ride so far - as others reported crank seems very stiff and Q-factor feels slightly wider - similar to the KICKR bike I use (but have not measured it). The slightly shorter crank does as you would expect - open the hip angle a bit and I spun slightly faster. At a high level, the PM numbers seem comparable to other PMs I have used and the reported L/R balance aligns with what I have seen previously. At some point I will borrow a Neo 2T to validate against (and adjust scaling if needed).
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I'm curious what's the lowest price people have bought this crankset for? I think it checks all the boxes for me. It also looks like I can attach my Magene 3 bolt spider PM to the Ventus crankset and use the Xcadey PM on other 3 bolt cranks.
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I'm curious what's the lowest price people have bought this crankset for? I think it checks all the boxes for me. It also looks like I can attach my Magene 3 bolt spider PM to the Ventus crankset and use the Xcadey PM on other 3 bolt cranks.
According to this https://www.pricearchive.org/aliexpress.com/item/1005009692178508
It says lowest price was $356.78
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Did the Xcadey Ventus get pulled from the Anrancee Store? At least for US buyers it looks like it's unavailable.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809505863756.html (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809505863756.html)
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According to this https://www.pricearchive.org/aliexpress.com/item/1005009692178508
It says lowest price was $356.78
Got it for 319 EUR + roughly 10 EUR of customs fees. That’s an awesome price IMO. Less so in US currency, though. With the current exchange rate and a rather weak USD that equates to 380-390 USD.
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Did the Xcadey Ventus get pulled from the Anrancee Store? At least for US buyers it looks like it's unavailable.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809505863756.html (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809505863756.html)
Damn yeah, they pulled it everywhere not just US. Also can't seem to find these cranks on their website (or maybe they were never listed)
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I put in my order for 165mm cranks before they pulled it and got free shipping! After doing research and comparing it to other cranks, the price was too good to pass up. I was tempted to wait for the Choice savings, but my gut told me to order beforehand and use available coupon. I'm hoping my order goes through. ;D
The only other titanium 24mm axle carbon crankset that comes in 165mm is from Bigrock and that's without a PM. Also I think I'll use my Magene 3 bolt power meter spider (also discontinued) on the Ventus crankset since the screw holes line-up. From the looks of it, I can still use the Xcadey PM on other 3 bolt cranksets.
I spent last weekend testing 165mm cranks on my gravel bike to see if I like it. I normally use 170mm crank arms, but I think 165mm will work best on my aero'ish road bike where I can take advantage of the higher cadence and better aero positioning.
Added: It looks like the LEESE carbon crankset also does a 24mm titanium axle, but with the Easton interface.
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Word must have gone out, this is cheapest carbon crankset+power meter combo. They're almost sold out of all inventory. Only one 160mm crankset currently in stock as of typing this.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809505863756.html (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809505863756.html)
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Word must have gone out, this is cheapest carbon crankset+power meter combo. They're almost sold out of all inventory. Only one 160mm crankset currently in stock as of typing this.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809505863756.html (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809505863756.html)
Thanks for all the reviews, I bought them xD. I am 178cm with 83cm inseam, so 160mm would fit me xD. Especially as I use them in a TT like position.
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Thanks for all the reviews, I bought them xD. I am 178cm with 83cm inseam, so 160mm would fit me xD. Especially as I use them in a TT like position.
I presume you're the last person to get the 4 bolt BCD PM? ;D
I ordered 165mm and they're taking their sweet time to ship. I'm guessing it's due to the Chinese holiday. Hopefully it'll go out this week.
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I presume you're the last person to get the 4 bolt BCD PM? ;D
I ordered 165mm and they're taking their sweet time to ship. I'm guessing it's due to the Chinese holiday. Hopefully it'll go out this week.
Indeed :) I hope get them before 11.11 so that I can place another order if I like them haha.
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Has anyone's Xcadey crankset+PM ship from a recent order? They've been sitting on my order for 2 weeks and I ordered right before the national holiday. I asked when my order is going out and the Anrancee store rep said they're waiting on a warehouse delivery that should arrive this week.
Normally I'd cancel the order, but there's a good chance I might be getting a newer factory batch of cranks which might have some improvements.
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I ordered one on 6-10 and shipped on 8-10
160mm 4 bolt Shimano
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Has anyone's Xcadey crankset+PM ship from a recent order? They've been sitting on my order for 2 weeks and I ordered right before the national holiday. I asked when my order is going out and the Anrancee store rep said they're waiting on a warehouse delivery that should arrive this week.
Normally I'd cancel the order, but there's a good chance I might be getting a newer factory batch of cranks which might have some improvements.
Same here, but mine was shipped today it seems.
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Same here, but mine was shipped today it seems.
Good to know, hopefully mine ships soon. I wonder if they're delaying shipping for US customers to send as a big shipping pallet? Might save on tariff costs on their end.
Update: Mine just shipped to the US, right before the AliEx shipping deadline (when they auto refund the payment). They might not be the lightest carbon crankset, but it looks to be the cheapest carbon crankset + PM. I'm surprised they aren't more popular compared to the likes of the Magene P515 cranks.
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Good to know, hopefully mine ships soon. I wonder if they're delaying shipping for US customers to send as a big shipping pallet? Might save on tariff costs on their end.
Update: Mine just shipped to the US, right before the AliEx shipping deadline (when they auto refund the payment). They might not be the lightest carbon crankset, but it looks to be the cheapest carbon crankset + PM. I'm surprised they aren't more popular compared to the likes of the Magene P515 cranks.
Prices have gone up now, so the value proposition isn't as compelling as when it was ~360 USD or so. Seems like XCadey often have their scaling a bit off out of the box too so it's difficult to tell if it's accurate without testing against an indoor trainer or dual sided PM pedals.
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I went to look at it, and saw it was ~3100 DKK (480USD) with 160mm cranks, 24mm spindle and 5 bolt 110 BCD.
That was a pretty solid deal, but then I went to look in the cart and it was further discounted down to ~2400 DKK (~380 USD). That was hard to say no to so I pulled the trigger.
Really excited!
Looks like that was the last one, it's now fully sold out.
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It's been a couple weeks since the last post on this. Is anyone using this now? Any feedback, good or bad? I'm shopping for a new PM crank and with the 11.11 sales coming up, I was thinking about getting this.
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It's been a couple weeks since the last post on this. Is anyone using this now? Any feedback, good or bad? I'm shopping for a new PM crank and with the 11.11 sales coming up, I was thinking about getting this.
Mine is taking forever to arrive. I think they used the slowest shipping method. :(
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Mine is taking forever to arrive. I think they used the slowest shipping method. :(
Mine should be arriving today. Will report back.
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Mine should be arriving today. Will report back.
Looking forward. I noticed the price of these went back down, and that 165mm is back in stock. Combined with Rakuten cashback these are priced very competitively.
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Looking forward. I noticed the price of these went back down, and that 165mm is back in stock. Combined with Rakuten cashback these are priced very competitively.
They went up in price for US customers. They might go back down for the 11.11 sale.
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They went up in price for US customers. They might go back down for the 11.11 sale.
I'm in the US. Right now they're in my cart for $386.38, excluding discounts.
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I'm in the US. Right now they're in my cart for $386.38, excluding discounts.
Have you bought one already? Mine is showing $546.50 usd. I have one currently shipping, so maybe the lower price is for first time buyers?
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Have you bought one already? Mine is showing $546.50 usd. I have one currently shipping, so maybe the lower price is for first time buyers?
Not yet, and I guess I was hoping for some more user reviews before getting them, but I may just end up ordering them today, lol. I'm impatient. I've purchased things on AE, Taobao, etc for years so Idk why the price dropped. Sometimes in the lead-up to sales like 11.11 they lower the price, then raise it, and then lower it again...I've stopped questioning the reasoning for AE prices long ago!
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Got mine last week, only did a 3h gravel ride with it so far. Quality seems ok, I had no issues with the pedal threads as reported before, they were ok. Power readings seemed a little bit high, but I‘d really need to compare by getting it on the turbo at some point or borrow some PM pedals from someone.
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Got mine last week, only did a 3h gravel ride with it so far. Quality seems ok, I had no issues with the pedal threads as reported before, they were ok. Power readings seemed a little bit high, but I‘d really need to compare by getting it on the turbo at some point or borrow some PM pedals from someone.
Is the pedal thread issue dependent on which pedals are used? One of the reviews for the crankset still had issues as of October which required tapping the threads.
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Is the pedal thread issue dependent on which pedals are used? One of the reviews for the crankset still had issues as of October which required tapping the threads.
I don‘t think so. Maybe they were just using a worn out tool, some worker not trained properly, or anything along that line. The threads on mine weren‘t the nicest I‘ve ever seen, but certainly not the worst (yes, Campagnolo, I‘m looking at YOU).
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Received mine and just installed them. Weighing in at 478g if my kitchen scale is to be believed. They look great and installation was a breeze. Pedals threaded in without any resistance.
Looking forward to seeing the power numbers.
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My Xcadey Ventus took forever to arrive. It arrived after over a month. I almost forgot about it! Anyways, installed it with some fresh Stone 2x chainrings. Pedals threaded smoothly with no issue. Chain line is spot on with a regular threaded BB68 bottom bracket. Now I need to test it out!
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Might get this during the 11 11 sale, what is the standard for the 4 bolt version? Same as Shimano 110bcd or different?
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Might get this during the 11 11 sale, what is the standard for the 4 bolt version? Same as Shimano 110bcd or different?
Yes Shimano 110 bcd.
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My Xcadey Ventus took forever to arrive. It arrived after over a month. I almost forgot about it! Anyways, installed it with some fresh Stone 2x chainrings. Pedals threaded smoothly with no issue. Chain line is spot on with a regular threaded BB68 bottom bracket. Now I need to test it out!
Looks great!
I should have purchased it on AE last week...the price shot up again :( It sells for $350usd-ish on Taobao from multiple sellers, though, so I think I might just do that. I'm glad that the pedal threading issue seems to have improved, at least based on the more recent feedback I've read.
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Quick report about the Xcadey crankset and PM. The cranks feel stiff and strong, no complaints about construction. They also look cool with the 3k matte carbon finish.On a side note, the Stone chainrings I'm using shift great. No adjustment needed switching from Shimano chainrings, highly recommended.
Though my Xcadey power readings seem slightly different from my Magene PM. I need to check and make sure everything is accurate.
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Thinking of getting these for a new 1x gravel setup with GRX or Deore XT di2 cassette, chain and rear derailleur.
Any suggestion to which 40t chainring to get? Preferably from Aliexpress as well...
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Thinking of getting these for a new 1x gravel setup with GRX or Deore XT di2 cassette, chain and rear derailleur.
Any suggestion to which 40t chainring to get? Preferably from Aliexpress as well...
Pass Quest or Stone chainrings are excellent quality and well made. Though for best price, I've been totally fine with cheap 1x Deckas chainrings.
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Quick report about the Xcadey crankset and PM. The cranks feel stiff and strong, no complaints about construction. They also look cool with the 3k matte carbon finish.On a side note, the Stone chainrings I'm using shift great. No adjustment needed switching from Shimano chainrings, highly recommended.
Though my Xcadey power readings seem slightly different from my Magene PM. I need to check and make sure everything is accurate.
I recently bought xcadey PM and imo it's crap. Magene is level above.
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care to expand a bit?
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I can't speak for anyone else, but my power output does seem a bit lower than my Magene PM readings. I did switch to 165mm so I'm not sure if crank length has affected my power.
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care to expand a bit?
Readings don't match my wahoo kickr no matter what. If I adjust it to be same at 200w then it over reads at 300w and so on. Also battery life is super poor in my unit. 10h of riding and battery at 70%
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Ordered my cranks three days ago; they arrived at my agent yesterday and they just sent me these photos. Gotta love the speed of Chinese shipping. I won't be able to install these until early December but I'm looking forward to it (hopefully they don't suck!).
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Readings don't match my wahoo kickr no matter what. If I adjust it to be same at 200w then it over reads at 300w and so on. Also battery life is super poor in my unit. 10h of riding and battery at 70%
The readings of my xcadey PM is always slightly higher than that of my kickr v5. But that's okay, because due to losses in the drivetrain, the measured power at the rear axle should also be slightly lower than at the crank. For me, there is a difference of approx. + 1 to 1.5% between the crank PM and the Kickr. The measurement also corresponds well with the measurement of my Magene PES P505.
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Just received the set. So far update firmware and planning to install on the bike this weekend.
Anyone know what tool to use to unscrew the end caps on the crank?
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I installed a GEN 2 spider today (Ventus cranks 170mm). Updated to firmware 41. I did a few short sharp efforts to 'bed it in'. First sprint >1000W indoors resulted in an immediate offset shift on the XCadey where it then reported 40W low (interesting to see the meter read 0W while the Assioma PRO RS and NEO 3M was reading ~40W). Zeroing the XCadey resulted in it reading a little lower than the PRO RS & NEO 3M. Not to worry, another sprint and it was reading higher than them both... which I needed to manually zero out...again... I was able to replace this a few more times.
Within their app it reports real time offset. I was able to use this to know if the meter was going to over-read or under-read. It'd bounce back to 0 when performing an offset with their app or from the bike computer.
I'll take it outdoors tomorrow and perform the same tests.
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Zeroing the XCadey resulted in it reading a little lower than the PRO RS & NEO 3M. Not to worry, another sprint and it was reading higher than them both... which I needed to manually zero out...again... I was able to replace this a few more times.
It sure looks like a lot of zeroing and offsetting, and adjusting to get it working. Point is, does this calibration process stick, or is it every time you need to adjust a thousand things to get it right?
Also, I remember someone pointing out that you were testing the ArcRayo spider PM, now this one. And by the amount of topics here with new Chinese power meters, it looks like (if you’re testing them all) you’re probably busy for the rest of the year :D
Thanks for your work and testing, hoping to watch/read the video/post with all the testing when it’s done.
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Did anyone experience problems with axle diameter? Mine seems to be a hair over 24mm, resulting in issues with a Bikone BB that uses aluminium inserts. Took everything apart today to investigate a creak and really struggled ro get the drive-side insert off the damn axle. Inserts are fine with both a Shimano and a Scenix crank I have here, so the problem is with the axle of this PM. I‘m going to try a Chris King BB I have on another bike, that‘s using plastic inserts that may be a little more forgiving.
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Also, that preload ring is just plastic and utter garbage, therefore.
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Some fairly substantial accuracy issues reported by GPLama (above) now in fuller form on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/f7P8IvtEmlo?si=0bzRAFTVWvF4hLLe
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A bit of a strange response from XCadey on Shane's video about how they are upgrading the PM material, but haven't done it yet, and will resolve your issues if you face similar issues.
My plan had been to put on a trainer and "fix the scaling" when I got the time, but this does not sound like a scaling problem. Not sure there is a resolution if it simply doesn't work - and does every user now need to do all the same testing to prove it to XCadey. I don't have power pedals, but my vibe after using it for a bit longer is it was overreading sometimes (even on pure Z2 rides), but reading low on sprint power.
In practice if you want to replace the PM but keep the cranks, I guess your only option is to ignore it and use PM pedals, or replace with a non-XCadey 3 bolt PM ...
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From the XCadey responses to Shanes video:
This material upgrade aims to further enhance the product's rigidity. Please rest assured that all purchased products have undergone rigorous testing and meet relevant standards. We have discontinued using that material, and all products currently on sale use the non-upgraded material.
If you encounter any similar situations, please let us know, and we will resolve them immediately and provide you with a satisfactory response.
The way I interpret this is that they will replace the PM if you can document the issues shown in the vid. But maybe I am overly optimistic.
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Xcadey is absolute crap. That's my experience now confirmed by the Goat.
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I own Gen2 Xcadey since 2023... yes it consistently over reads about 5% compared to Assiomas... but I never noticed such drift in any of my comparisons. I did a few comparison rides in 2023 when I bought it, but the results were always quite "reliable".
Maybe the power signal is a bit more "noisy", but it does not influence averages.
For instance a few snips out of a longer (2+h) ride.
Two climbs, one in beginning and one close to the end of the ride.
There was a lot of varied terrain in between, also one short sprint close to 1000W...
I was very happy with it, considering I paid 220€ for it.
So much I ordered another one on this years 11.11 sale. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I guess your mileage may vary.
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I guess if you have no sprint to speak of and low standards it's acceptable. But even without the drift destroying any semblance of accuracy, the consistent miscalibration out of the box is enough for me to call it a piece of garbage deserving of a class-action lawsuit for false advertising.
What I want to know is how long XCadey have "known" about this issue and gleefuly kept sending out a defective product.
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I have two of these PMs that are a couple of years old. While I now double up on PM pedals during aero testing (just because data collection is such a PITA, and because I need them anyway to ensure my different setups are reporting similarly), I've also just adjusted the linear scaling values and called it a day, as they have been accurate for me.
My last aero testing thing I did was a while ago, and it was clean, but this has me worried that XCadey broke their PMs with bad firmware, and now I feel compelled to spend a couple of hours validating both of these with some sprints and stuff. NOT how I want to spend my time, so very unhappy with XCadey regarding this.
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I agree it is not acceptable that you need to verify the accuracy of you PM after every FW update.
Which can be a hassle if you don't have anything to compare to.
I also don't like Xcadey response, which is clearly bullshit.
My 2 year old PM has the same HW version as the one in Shanes video.
So their excuse this "only happens in a new revision" is complete BS...
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Yeah my charts look like yours, though I top out at around a couple hundred watts less than GP (hey I am smaller too!). XCadey is blaming a glue supplier for failing and putting the PM into a reset state when it deflects out of plane beyond a certain threshold. IDK about that, it seems implausible, but I gather from them that the electronics hardware is the same, which is why the HW version number is the same.
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After watching GP Lama's video, I did another test comparing the Xcadey to my Kickr.
What do you guys think?
The test procedure was as follows:
- Before starting, I calibrated the PM with my Garmin
- I competed in a Zwift race
- For comparison, the first 20 minutes, minutes 20 to 25 with two efforts
- After the race, a sprint 1
- Before sprint 2, I calibrated the PM again via the Garmin
What do you think of the data? Not as inconsistent as with GP Lama, but also not particularly accurate?
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Did anyone observe a difference in offset depending if you are in which front chain ring you aremin?
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After watching GP Lama's video, I did another test comparing the Xcadey to my Kickr.
What do you guys think?
The test procedure was as follows:
- Before starting, I calibrated the PM with my Garmin
- I competed in a Zwift race
- For comparison, the first 20 minutes, minutes 20 to 25 with two efforts
- After the race, a sprint 1
- Before sprint 2, I calibrated the PM again via the Garmin
What do you think of the data? Not as inconsistent as with GP Lama, but also not particularly accurate?
I would say yours if OK, no drifts after sprint consistant readings, but a bit high.
I observed the same on my unit, and also other users report that reported power values are always ~5% too high.
If you scale the power output to about 95% (in the Xcadey app) it gets really close to values reported by other power meters.
Not sure how can they get this wrong, are chinese watts different to western?
Or are they using a wrong calibration method in the factory?
Honestly not really acceptable for something that is advertised as 1% accurate.
But considering the price I can live with it.
On the other hand there are other units on the market for similar price that are more accurate.
Did anyone observe a difference in offset depending if you are in which front chain ring you aremin?
That is something I was wondering myself, but I use 1x so I can't test that.
Also it would be worth testing how much does chain alignment influence the values (ie. running on the big vs small sprocket).
But form what I was able to observe on my unit, there is hardly any difference.
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The front chainring position hypothesis is in line with my experiences. I am inclined to say that chainline also plays a role. My deviations become larger when I am in the small chainring in front and a large sprocket in the back. This could perhaps indicate that the power meter interface is not stiff enough.
Attached is part of a triple recording on Zwift with my Kickr V5, Favero Assioma Duo and Xcadey Xpower S. In the large chainring the deviation is close to acceptable (This until about 5540 seconds). Then as I change to the small chainring and a low gear in the back for the Radio Tower KOM the Xcadey goes from reading about 1% lower to 4% lower. A calibration at the top in the big chainring and the Xcadey is back to constantly being 1-2% lower. This pattern has repeated itself every time I have done the Radio Tower KOM and that at a low power output of about 300W.
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Mine has completely failed ... it suddenly started to either read crazy high or crazy low, while the cadence seems to be reporting correctly. No amount of caibrations fixes it.
Have reported to seller to see what they say, but suspect I will end up having to deal with XCadey.
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Mine has completely failed ... it suddenly started to either read crazy high or crazy low, while the cadence seems to be reporting correctly. No amount of caibrations fixes it.
Have reported to seller to see what they say, but suspect I will end up having to deal with XCadey.
Xcadey PM is an absolute crap as a product. Luckily they seem to not duck the responsibility. At least with my case with spider PM I've bought from Alix. Ii had battery drains and inconsistent readings from the start and reported it to the seller. He checked with xcadey and I was asked to perform few things like charging from socket (not powerbank), re torquing, calibration. Whole process of testing it took few months, but it was my fault as I had a lot of work and was traveling a lot and wasn't using this particular bike too much. Because of that 90 days free return on AliExpress passed. But I talked to the seller, he contacted xcadey and they replied that basically there is something wrong with my unit and for 50$ covering shipping fees etc seller offered me a brand new unit and didn't have to hassle with sending the old one back. Haven't installed the new one yet. I hope it will be working good. I asked them clearly to check it before sending, hope they've listened.
Even if it will be working fine I will never again buy any product from xcadey again,, it's a total lottery and absolute lack of QC. If it won't be working I will just have to write it off and will buy Sigey (which I should have done in a first place).
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I'm working on some longer comparison. Now around 1.5 week. I'm comparing elite justo, favero assioma duo and Xcadey Gen 2 in crank from XMCS. I can provide some feedback.
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I'm sorry but any comparison from someone who pushes his affiliate codes for products before even testing them is not trustworthy. Not to mention buying fake followers on social media to trick people into thinking you have a big followers base and scam Chinese manufacturers to get free/discounted products/affiliate codes..
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I'm not paid, not paying anyone for anything, I'm testing three sources for my own purposes, to have the right power readings. I'm doing that for most products I acquire or you are right, sometimes I get to be tested.
Regarding the main topic, I will provide all data, fit files, you can check all. I'm not a person like GPLAMA, and don't have any payment or sources. He did some three rides and he is happy. For me it's not enough. I wanted to reduce the weight of my bike so I decided to mount power meter in the crank. I'm mostly doing all testes by my own money, I bought all three by my resources. Regarding the results, what others will do that is their choice. I'm using all sources so Elite Justo, FAVERO assioma duo and Xcadey for Easton for some time already. That is second week, the plan was to have only one week, but I decided to extend it to the full two weeks.
Lastly, here you have some data from my a bit tougher workout, VO2Max 30 Second 15 Second Microburst Interval Blocks. I can provide all for you in email, if you want.
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Lastly, here you have some data from my a bit tougher workout, VO2Max 30 Second 15 Second Microburst Interval Blocks. I can provide all for you in email, if you want.
In the shown dataset the deviation seems fairly consistent across samples. Based on this it looks as if setting the power scaling for the Xcadey to about 0.94 and the Xcadey should be extremely close to the other sources. If this offset is consistent across rides then this is a 'solution' I can live with.
The problem with my Xcadey unit is that this scaling factor is way too inconsistent acroos a ride and different rides. Sometimes +1% other times -3% even within the same ride. This is in my opinion this is far from the advertisied specs and not acceptable. I will however say that my Xcadey unit has gotten less bad as I have used it more. It has now come to the point where I based on the zero offset value displayed on my head unit can tell that the Xcadey will show lower power values for this ride.
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He did some three rides and he is happy. For me it's not enough.
Are you talking about my analysis of the XCadey Gen II spider? If so, I don't understand your reference to my testing.
For clarity - My testing protocol is efficient. It only took two rides to determine there were critical issues with this meter. I was NOT happy at being able to reproduce issues with the unit I had multiple times during each testing session. No amount of further testing was going to resolve the issues XCadey themselves have acknowledged. The unit came straight off my bike and I'm waiting to hear back from XCadey to see if they've made improvements via firmware (or within their hardware).
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Just to clarify, I have the spider power meter Gen 2,not the ventus crank so I cannot provide any feedback regarding that product. Like I said, I will show l results after I finalize my testing. In general the results are consistent. All sources showed different results, however somehow similar. All devices were calibrated, and are before every ride. During the testing period, Xcadey got the firmware update for no. 41. In general I will have around 10 workouts, different, with some sprint, vo2max, tempo and endurance. I was not happy with favero as the body has a bit play now as it's plastic so I look for some replacement.
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I have 2 powermeters from xcadey and it has been trouble free but the calibration is not accurate but repeatable .... if you use it to get your FTP and use that number than its not an issue. the offset is not correct.
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Just to clarify, I have the spider power meter Gen 2,not the ventus crank so I cannot provide any feedback regarding that product. Like I said, I will show l results after I finalize my testing. In general the results are consistent. All sources showed different results, however somehow similar. All devices were calibrated, and are before every ride. During the testing period, Xcadey got the firmware update for no. 41. In general I will have around 10 workouts, different, with some sprint, vo2max, tempo and endurance. I was not happy with favero as the body has a bit play now as it's plastic so I look for some replacement.
You are a fraud and a paid shill or maybe even worse, a free shill because you're wannabe influencer. You lie to people here and other platforms, use fake followers base to gain financial benefit. You offer products and affiliate codes before you even test a product. You clearly lie to chinese companies that you will help sell their products to get freebies and codes.how desperate has a company be to give affiliate codes to a fraud with fake Indian followers on Instagram. You are a fraud and people like you should be banned and expelled from any community.
FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD
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In Poland we have some saying "Słychać wycie, znakomicie", can be translated as "you can hear the howling, great" so you are doing great work. There will be always someone who is always complaining and criticizes. Thank you for that, it only motivate me even more :) moreover, I'm just amateur cyclist, that is all, not an influencer, and never have I wanted to be one.
For all interested of facts, here you can find my comparison of Xcadey Gen 2, with all the data and fit files - https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,6884.0.html
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also got xcadey gen2 and did tests.
tl;dr: indoor seems fine, needed -2% offset and i suspect some sprints undershoot, no migrating offset. Very similar with indoor results from GPLama, but can't ride outside till april to test outdoor problems from his video.
Comparing with Elite Direto (very first one) and Magene PES505.
For past 7 years Direto was tested with FSA PowerBox (Power2Max NGEco) and Xcadey gen1 spider. In those tests Direto had identical readings with some constant offset - fsa no offset, magene offset +4%, xcadey gen1 -2% - so Direto my control device.
I have only spider PMs, so no triple recording and no outdoor comparison
Direto - Magene - flawless, even sprints identical
Direto - Xcadey gen2 - -2% offset needed for xcadey and sprints slightly undershooting
Test protocol - copied from GPLama, with free ride first, sprints, some ERG work, more sprints and 2 stops in the middle for calibration. FIT files and screenshots attached
I can live with gen2 results if there would be no outdoor problems, but very interested in ThinkRider PP5 spider and watching its forum topic
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It seems that power undershooting is a problem with cadence measurement.
The measured cadence is lagging noticeably on Xcadey during sprints.
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It seems that power undershooting is a problem with cadence measurement.
The measured cadence is lagging noticeably on Xcadey during sprints.
Boom. There it is on the XCadey, cadence sensing issues in peak power acceleration/sprints. I'd consider that in-line with my testing scope. And unfortunately for XCadey, in-line with my results.
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In Poland we have some saying "Słychać wycie, znakomicie", can be translated as "you can hear the howling, great" so you are doing great work. There will be always someone who is always complaining and criticizes. Thank you for that, it only motivate me even more :) moreover, I'm just amateur cyclist, that is all, not an influencer, and never have I wanted to be one.
For all interested of facts, here you can find my comparison of Xcadey Gen 2, with all the data and fit files - https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,6884.0.html
That's a very bad answer for serious accusations. But it does not surprise me. People like you without moral spine always trying to downplay their sketchy behavior. You are a fraud and liar. You have been shilling xcadey and offering affiliate codes before even trying it first. In other groups many people that had bad experience with this product you was calling haters. Again typical for low morale people like you. Your tests and reviews are as fake as your Instagram followers, which is extremely embarrassing and you should be just ashamed of yourself and no one here should take you seriously.
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Boom. There it is on the XCadey, cadence sensing issues in peak power acceleration/sprints. I'd consider that in-line with my testing scope. And unfortunately for XCadey, in-line with my results.
I have talked to xcadey for months about the calibration and try to improve their discrepancies with power. What they dont understand is that to be accurate there are a minimum of 3 pts in calibrations is needed not just 1
My explanation is
Power = Torque x "rpm"
Torque from sensor is accurate but its assumed a linear relations ship [ Y=mX+C ] where C is the offset at zero - That is the calibration number.... And m (slope) is fixed at the factory and its fairly accurate but when manufacturing deviates a tad that "m" is off and cannot be changed - Thats why i propose a 2 point calibration (like the old Quarq) by placing a known weight to get the 2nd point.
now for cadence where the biggest issue with new power meters that dont use a magnet for rpm... the rpm can be all over the place and delayed and if using the peak of the sensor and average the time between a small amount of peaks that is problematic.....
I gave up trying to explain my case to them
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Has anyone found an alternative spider for their 5-bolt interface, or can someone confirm that the interface is compatible with SRAM 3-bolt? Looking through the thread plenty of people stated that it might be, but I could not find anyone confirming it.
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Has anyone found an alternative spider for their 5-bolt interface, or can someone confirm that the interface is compatible with SRAM 3-bolt? Looking through the thread plenty of people stated that it might be, but I could not find anyone confirming it.
https://xcadey.com/product/xpower-meter-spider-screws/ (https://xcadey.com/product/xpower-meter-spider-screws/)
Xcadey uses these really annoying proprietary T20 torx screws (not the standard T25 torx for 3 bolt). You can buy the screws directly from Xcadey ($1usd for 6 screws). I ordered 24 of them because they strip easily with too much torque. I've yet to try the Ventus crankset with another PM, though you might need to use the Xcadey screws if you do.
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Hello everyone, I just opened the xcadey app after a long time and saw they completely changed the UI and now have released a beta update to fix the cadence/power issues. I'm not strong enough yet to push 1000W so I'd be grateful if someone could test it and see if this update is any useful! Thank you :)
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I'll re-test at some point.
iirc someone said they removed the real time offset reporting in their app? If they have, that's a step backwards. Also raises questions as to why they'd do that as it was extremely useful in debugging issues.
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I‘d like to test that, too, but since the update mine does no longer connect to the app. Anyone else with this issue?
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Same for me, I can only connect via the iPhone, my Android (Mi15) does not connect.
That being said, I did not bother using the APP with the new UI so far.
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No problems connecting to the new UI on Android. Are you scanning for the device first and then selecting it ?
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I'm again testing the Xcadey, outdoor, however not the whole crankset but the Gen 2. That is the link for the previous one - https://chinertown.com/index.php/topic,6884.msg101940.html#msg101940
Regarding the app, the update was around three weeks ago, it looks much different now, they changed UI. Regarding the software version, I'm using the beta now, maybe I should switch to the standard one. However If they are releasing that, I wanted to have the most up to date version.
I will work on some post later. At the moment I can say that it's very similar to indoor workouts. The difference is stable, around 10w. I didn't have any issues during the rides, with cadence, so I'm quite happy and satisfied. Moreover, I discover that sometimes my Favero was not showing the proper power fo sure. I had much more than 600w and it shows around 300 w.
The most interesting part is that I started the comparison with standard round chainring, next I switched to Oval. For the round, the difference was for some part maximum around...2w, for the whole workout the readings were almost the same for both! After the re-installation and assembling the oval chainring, I started to have 10w difference. I added some examples. The other interesting thing, which should be checked is the reading and showing/displaying of the reading. As you can see below, the maximum was 1154 and 1167, garmins showed more than 1200w during and after the ride. I making the comparison on Fenix 8 and Edge 850.
My some small thoughts and comment on the end. In general and it's rather funny. The voice of expertes sitting in front of the screen, riding for buns to the coffee shop or around the chimney like we say in Poland. People who only can criticise, doing nothing, not providing any added value. I started the comparison with the confidence that it is a crap. Then the results were not bad, sometimes almost identical, I would say acceptable for amateur. Again I will underline, stable and fair for Gen 2, which I stated many times. Then I heard, only after 600w you will find some real results. I did a lot of workouts above 600w, didn't see anything unusual and strange. Then I heard, only above 1000w is a real problem. Okay, I thought I will have some sprints later so I will check this. I'm not a sprinter, so firstly I did some 1000w, 6 times, 8 times another day, no issues, then I had some 15-20s above 1000w with values above 1200w, the same situation.
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one update from today, like I said, I will changed oval to the round chainring. That is the outcome from short taper workout from today. There are some small differences, but that is on the margin of mistake of both power meters I would say. I attached the FIT files
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I'll re-test at some point.
iirc someone said they removed the real time offset reporting in their app? If they have, that's a step backwards. Also raises questions as to why they'd do that as it was extremely useful in debugging issues.
Yep, it no longer shows the offset. Very annoying.
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That’s telling. It allowed people to confirm the Gen 2 meter issues without needing a second or third comparison unit. Removing that feature makes testing their meter a lot more difficult (and expensive). How convenient.
As mentioned, I’ll retest when I get the chance. My concern is that if the update doesn’t fix what they claim, it further damages their reputation. That’s not my intention, but it becomes inevitable if their “fix” can’t be confirmed.
We’ve seen this before with the Elilee EK01. Two units failed initial testing, they issued a multi-page “fix” announcement, the problems persisted… and then silence for over two months.
ThinkRider claims my issues were due to incorrect installation. That wasn’t communicated to me directly (which would have been the right move) but instead buried in replies to others on social media.
So at this point, I’ve got a stack of “new” power meters that don’t pass my testing protocol. What’s becoming more interesting isn’t the failures, it’s how each company (and their “associates”) responds when those issues are put in front of them.
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That’s telling. It allowed people to confirm the Gen 2 meter issues without needing a second or third comparison unit. Removing that feature makes testing their meter a lot more difficult (and expensive). How convenient.
As mentioned, I’ll retest when I get the chance. My concern is that if the update doesn’t fix what they claim, it further damages their reputation. That’s not my intention, but it becomes inevitable if their “fix” can’t be confirmed.
We’ve seen this before with the Elilee EK01. Two units failed initial testing, they issued a multi-page “fix” announcement, the problems persisted… and then silence for over two months.
ThinkRider claims my issues were due to incorrect installation. That wasn’t communicated to me directly (which would have been the right move) but instead buried in replies to others on social media.
So at this point, I’ve got a stack of “new” power meters that don’t pass my testing protocol. What’s becoming more interesting isn’t the failures, it’s how each company (and their “associates”) responds when those issues are put in front of them.
Have you tested any 5 arm vs. 4 arm versions of these PMs?
Just curious if there is any indication that the problem might actually be in the spiders vs. in the electronics.
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Have you tested any 5 arm vs. 4 arm versions of these PMs?
Just curious if there is any indication that the problem might actually be in the spiders vs. in the electronics.
Do you mean mean bolt pattern? If so - no, and the bolt pattern hasn't ever been mentioned by the manufacturers as a potential cause of the issues reported. I also don't see that being a factor.
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My testing shows NO issues were resolved with firmware 109. Gen II accelerometer still failing in sprints and residual torque after hard efforts observed.
That was a waste of a few hours. Thanks XCadey.
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No surprise, really. So this one and the Coospo that I basically just ordered out of curiosity are more or less for the bin. I‘m sure that they‘ll eventually figure it out, but the common AE rule applies: don‘t buy stuff from the low end of the price spectrum.
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I'm finding the quality of support/service from these budget brands is also extremely poor. Like warranty, it's not something a lot of people take into account when choosing a product.
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I think everyone understand that at $100 a PM, you should not expect the service level of the big brands and that these can quickly become paper weight, it’s part of the accepted risk.
I think that what you seem to fail to understand is that many of us don’t have your level of expectation as far as accuracy (where i am with you is on repeatability) and are fine having an offset and that for our particular use cases, these could be fine. I have a 210ftp, a 700w max power or rather that’s the max power i ever read off of my pes515, because I never tried to measure my max 3s sprint power because I just don’t care about that number. That’s me today in my biker journey, maybe will come a point where this will be relevant and my technical expectation will increase accordingly. But today my xcadey gen 2 will do just fine on my mtb.
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I hold these products to the standard they set themselves. That's where my expectation is.
I'm continually surprised at how big the gap is between what they claim and how products perform. Given the responses by some companies, so are they. 😅
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In terms of XCadey support, I'm not particularly convinced by the accuracy of the product, but they did replace mine that failed (a few days crazy readings followed by complete failure to activate or charge). It did take a while - some on me some on them (I started comms via the AE vendor) - they asked for multiple videos (which did take me ages to get around to record and send) and kept asking me to connect it to the app and do a screenshot of the calibration number, even though I told them it didn't work. In the end I did have to get a bit shirty at them when they asked for yet another video, and they sent me a new once once I sent the bad one back (to PL from UK) - so replacement cost about £10.
I have been using the new one for a few weeks - installed the latest FW (not the beta). It's believable on the face of it - only done 1kw type sprints at relatively low cadence thus far, and the ~200w Z2 reported after seemed reasonable. But I am not doing detailed testing like Shane (at best I'll be able to toss it on a Neo 2T at some point), so I'm glad he's validating these vendors' accuracy claims (also glad I'm not the one having to sprint on the small ring - that frightens me for some reason!)
As noted, the new app doesn't have the offset field anymore. They do have the BT connection signal strength, which I don't think they had before, very useful ... :-)
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In terms of XCadey support, I'm not particularly convinced by the accuracy of the product, but they did replace mine that failed (a few days crazy readings followed by complete failure to activate or charge). It did take a while - some on me some on them (I started comms via the AE vendor) - they asked for multiple videos (which did take me ages to get around to record and send) and kept asking me to connect it to the app and do a screenshot of the calibration number, even though I told them it didn't work.
Now, that sounds exactly like my kind of problem. „Pls make a video of how it doesn‘t connect to the app and is basically just dead.“ Hmm, logic?
And to the point before: I‘m not expecting the same level of customer support I usually get from western brands, although I‘ve had my fair share of interesting experiences with those, too. Shimano and Canyon, for example, which are both essentially not even AE standards. However, as Lama mentioned, it is perfectly acceptable to hold anyone selling anything to their own advertizing claims. If you don‘t, you just accept the lie.
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Do you mean mean bolt pattern? If so - no, and the bolt pattern hasn't ever been mentioned by the manufacturers as a potential cause of the issues reported. I also don't see that being a factor.
I haven't been following the other meters as closely, so just trying to bracket what is known.
It feels like there is a general problem with changing offsets / these PMs being put into an error state under higher power. This has been observed on multiple Chinese PMs that are all Easton 4x110 BCD?
It was not observed on a Sigeyi PM, but that one was 1x in Sram 8-bolt 4x107 BCD?
I was not able to observe a moving offset but my PMs are both 5x110 and either Sram 3 bolt or Sram 8 bolt. Either way its hard to consider buying another one of these as they are useless as a training tool and even for pacing with the offset changing like this.
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My some small thoughts and comment on the end. In general and it's rather funny. The voice of expertes sitting in front of the screen, riding for buns to the coffee shop or around the chimney like we say in Poland. People who only can criticise, doing nothing, not providing any added value. I started the comparison with the confidence that it is a crap. Then the results were not bad, sometimes almost identical, I would say acceptable for amateur. Again I will underline, stable and fair for Gen 2, which I stated many times. Then I heard, only after 600w you will find some real results. I did a lot of workouts above 600w, didn't see anything unusual and strange. Then I heard, only above 1000w is a real problem. Okay, I thought I will have some sprints later so I will check this. I'm not a sprinter, so firstly I did some 1000w, 6 times, 8 times another day, no issues, then I had some 15-20s above 1000w with values above 1200w, the same situation.
Omg this dude again and funnily enough on April 1st, ideal date for a joke of a guy you are. Who are you to call GP Lama and other respectable users here like that? Dude you are a fake wannabe influencer, you bought thousands of fake indian and paki followers on Instagram to boost your low ego. This is beyond embarrassing. You also achieved nothing in road racing, your not a racer not equipment expert, you're just an amateur with no palmares. come down to earth because you've flown away.
One of the users "who just rides around the chimney" - GP LAMA re-tested xcadey again and again proved it's crap. So just deal with it and honestly go ride for a bun to the coffee shop and shut your mouth with it.
Once again I remind everyone that you where recommending and shilling xcadey together with your AFFILIATE codes on all social platforms BEFORE even receiving the unit.
You fake your followers count, you shill products before even testing and push your affiliate links. All this is done to boost your low ego and trick Chinese companies for personal gains in term of kickbacks and free equipment. You are a FRAUD. People like you have zero credibility and should be banned permanently.
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I've just sent XCadey the data from my testing yesterday and have requested a meeting with the team at Shanghai Cycle early next month. I hope something positive can come out of the time spent on this one.
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I've just sent XCadey the data from my testing yesterday and have requested a meeting with the team at Shanghai Cycle early next month. I hope something positive can come out of the time spent on this one.
Much respect for your work Shane! Thank you
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I've just sent XCadey the data from my testing yesterday and have requested a meeting with the team at Shanghai Cycle early next month. I hope something positive can come out of the time spent on this one.
Great, really looking forward to your comment. What I have identified is the shape of the chainring. With round one I have the same data, but when I changed it, again I have differences around 10w, sometimes up to 15w. I always use the same system, so 5 bolt. I don't hany other crank or possibility to check it, my sram has 8 bolt system. For favero, I can have a field, what is the offset and some other data, for xcadey unfortunately it's not possible, that could be good. I'm not riding with their app.
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Power meter issues aside, has anyone had issues with the ventus cranks themselves?
I've had real issues getting the crank off and back on - primarily because the self extraction bolt is so stiff once you've removed the crank and unscrewed the drive side fastening bolt so it is sitting against the puller bolt. The drive side fastening bolt end's up getting stuck against the puller, link below to the parts diagram. It makes it incredibly difficult re-installing when the drive side fastening bolt is so stiff. Have had to take the bike to the bike shop twice, even they agree it's a sh!t design with a really low tolerance.
https://xcadey.com/2025/09/12/xpower-carbon-crankset-install-guide/
Interested to hear if anyone else has had similar issues.
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Power meter issues aside, has anyone had issues with the ventus cranks themselves?
I've had real issues getting the crank off and back on - primarily because the self extraction bolt is so stiff once you've removed the crank and unscrewed the drive side fastening bolt so it is sitting against the puller bolt. The drive side fastening bolt end's up getting stuck against the puller, link below to the parts diagram. It makes it incredibly difficult re-installing when the drive side fastening bolt is so stiff. Have had to take the bike to the bike shop twice, even they agree it's a sh!t design with a really low tolerance.
https://xcadey.com/2025/09/12/xpower-carbon-crankset-install-guide/
Interested to hear if anyone else has had similar issues.
No problem with my crankset. For this type of design, I always fasten the axle from the non-drive side crank arm first. It makes removing the drive side crank arm easier to remove for maintenance.
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What direct mount standard is this btw? Never seen this 5-bolt design before?
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In latest news from "cylists using power meters for normal cycling things" was doing 3x10min low cadence threshold intervals yesterday ... calibrated when I left home - first interval seemed too easy, second was even easier, with power reading even higher - stopped and re-calibrated again - third interval was 'correct' (confirmed by looking at HR). This sort of thing makes this PM useless unless you are calibrating every 5min.
There were no sprints beforehand, so not sure what caused that particular issue. Temperature maybe - drops quite quickly in the UK in the evening at this time of year. Also starting to creak a bit, so maybe need to pull apart and re-torque again... Given I bought if for a cheeky weight saving, I think I will just have to pony up for PM pedals and ignore it is even there. My 8 year old 4iiii LH crank PM was bulletproof consistent (I rarely used to calibrate it!) Shame Shimano cranks are so heavy ... :-(
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Does backwards pedal calibrate this power meter?
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alas not to my knowledge. only through app or paired head unit.
note to previous poster about 5 bolt - it was speculated earlier in this thread that it is simply the SRAM 3 bolt stanard with an extra couple of drillings to avoid any IP issues.
in regards my issue on that ride i mentioned, i am going to assume it is temperature related and remind myself to recalibrate after being out for a bit ... (tbf this is not unique to this PM albeit not a problem i've had myself before).
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So the replacement PM they sent me has died now - lights come on, but it no longer transmits data (can't see it on the phone or head unit). Tried plugging into power source and it just charges as normal. Happened at the start of a 100mile event where power would have been really nice to have (it was working day before).
I will no doubt be having to send more videos to Xcadey for another replacement, but am accepting it is just a trash PM (shame, as the cranks are ok).
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I've just sent XCadey the data from my testing yesterday and have requested a meeting with the team at Shanghai Cycle early next month. I hope something positive can come out of the time spent on this one.
Hi Shane, did anything come from this conversation with Xcadey in Shanghai?
Or any other news from Xcadey?
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They supplied a new GEN II spider and firmware 1.09 for testing. This was tested on June 24th with very much the same results as the first GEN II unit they sent. Sprints dropping due to cadence sensing failures. Accuracy issues due to offset drift/issues. They've removed the realtime offset display within their app - which was extremely useful in diagnosing issues.
I've given them all the data from this test (along with comparative data from the reference meter). XCadey have asked for more details/video footage/etc. I haven't replied. They have all the detail they need already. I've given them way too many hours/days of my time. This is their issue to resolve, not mine.