Author Topic: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?  (Read 94533 times)

Lero970

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #465 on: March 22, 2025, 03:46:01 AM »
Just got info that my frame is finised and shipped out. I ordered/paid mine on the 16th of January. Also got some pics from the Tantan guys before they packed and shiped it out.  :)

Would be very interesting if you could say how easily the matte paint scratches

Davidhe23

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #466 on: March 24, 2025, 02:46:13 AM »
I have observed that in size 56 the upper tube in the junction with the head tube is different from the original SL8. but it is exactly like the Eissen copy.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #467 on: March 24, 2025, 03:27:30 AM »
photos photo photos fellas! must be some of you with some deliveries!

Davidhe23

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #468 on: March 24, 2025, 03:38:02 AM »
attached the mia in size 56.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #469 on: March 24, 2025, 07:13:40 AM »
attached the mia in size 56.


Thanks Davidhe23
Where did you buy from? im assuming TanTan?

Davidhe23

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #470 on: March 24, 2025, 07:32:45 AM »

Thanks Davidhe23
Where did you buy from? I'm assuming TanTan?


Yes, it's the version of Seraph, but I'm almost certain they use the framework of other manufacturers. They all bring the defect that doesn't grow the top tube into higher sizes, and my size 56 looks very similar to the original in size 58.

dovh

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #471 on: March 24, 2025, 08:42:53 AM »
So, I finally got my frame in today.

Here are some pictures of me unpacking it and checking it out with an endoscope camera.
These are not the best quality pictures, but you can see that everything inside the frame is really neat, with no sharp edges or anything else.

I will be building the bike with my friend this Saturday, and I will post some more pictures with the weights of the stuff and so on.

My frame is size 58.
All weights of the individual parts are:

Frame - 971,8g
Fork - 360,03g
Seatpost - 163,5g
Cockpit - 357,4g

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ECYjE7t443kKLPjBBGKWUSLbhGIo3fcP?usp=sharing

All of the pictures are in this google drive folder.. I couldn’t upload any phots here and if i did it broke the whole topic page returning 500 error :/

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #472 on: March 24, 2025, 10:00:21 AM »
So, I finally got my frame in today.

Here are some pictures of me unpacking it and checking it out with an endoscope camera.
These are not the best quality pictures, but you can see that everything inside the frame is really neat, with no sharp edges or anything else.

I will be building the bike with my friend this Saturday, and I will post some more pictures with the weights of the stuff and so on.

My frame is size 58.
All weights of the individual parts are:

Frame - 971,8g
Fork - 360,03g
Seatpost - 163,5g
Cockpit - 357,4g

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ECYjE7t443kKLPjBBGKWUSLbhGIo3fcP?usp=sharing

All of the pictures are in this google drive folder.. I couldn’t upload any phots here and if i did it broke the whole topic page returning 500 error :/

Nice colour dovh.
Same they dont face the BB or the brake calliper mounts but for  the price I suppose you can do that yourself!

Anyone else review or photos?

fhill

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #473 on: March 24, 2025, 03:55:04 PM »
Anyone else having problems with the battery holder?

It prevents the seat post from going in all the way and it gets stuck when taking out the seat post which says to me that the clamping from the holder to the seat post is absolutely shit.

BeR

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #474 on: March 24, 2025, 05:57:15 PM »
Anyone else having problems with the battery holder?

It prevents the seat post from going in all the way and it gets stuck when taking out the seat post which says to me that the clamping from the holder to the seat post is absolutely shit.

You can have a look at this type B battery holder :
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EIdKITI

It is expensive for what it is but it works perfectly on a SL8 seatpost. However, I am not sure how it will fit for the x68 seatpost.

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #475 on: March 25, 2025, 04:23:35 PM »
Received a box today via dhl with the derailleurs and chain. Was told in advance this was due to the batteries. No idea if they paired and tuned them prior to shipment, we'll see.

But the bike...is stuck for 3 days in Shanghai, "export customs retention/ to be verified". I'm hoping this isn't going to turn into another week delay. Day 66 and counting.

Sander2177

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #476 on: March 27, 2025, 06:10:36 AM »
The main draw to buying a complete bike from TanTan is they are held accountable in making sure caliper mounts, bottom bracket, and bearing cups are properly faced within spec.

That is of course assuming they inspect and align everything prior to shipping.

You seriously need to do a review on this against your genuine SL8!
Be great to see s side by side comparison including internals etc
Please be  guinea pig  lol

patliean1

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #477 on: March 27, 2025, 10:04:01 AM »
Here is my final take on all of this:

1. One needs to ask themself why they actually want this frame design instead of buying a genuine SL8. Like really...why do customers want an SL8 budget alternative? Pricepoint? The design itself? Inherent brand cache? Aero testing? Geometry? Only the customer can answer this. Really no wrong answers here...

2. However, if quality control is a concern, get the TanTan version and call it a day. Serge_K has already provided a comprehensive list of legitimate reasons to avoid buying fakes.

3. Or buy a Quick-Pro AR-One or Tavelo Arow if you truly have the budget for a performance bike. Or go the Speeder route.

4. My VeloBuild 168 (SL7 clone) and TanTan X38 (Scott Foil clone), respectively, were pretty uninspiring to ride. The VB-168 was a noodle when pushing the watts. The X38 on the other hand was stiff in all the wrong areas causing a constant disruptive riding experience.

5. Past trends dictate future trends so I don't expect a $600 TanTan frame to magically perform like the real deal. Especially when the other Western brands I've reviewed don't really come close to riding the characteristics of the SL8 either.

6. The Tarmac SL8 is a delicate balance of ultra comfort, super lightweight, and still being stiff enough. Personally I prefer frames with more perceived stiffness and road feedback/communication. Even if Specialized added 300g to the frame weight to achieve this. And I don't love the look of the SL8. But it is the benchmark bike I get asked about the most. It's a fantastic climber and handles crosswinds better than any bike I've tested.

Specialized made compromises by opting for a tiny bottom bracket section on the SL8 in the name of comfort. Like the Aethos. So just imagine how those same compromises might be realized on a $600 frame. TanTan or fake.

glepore

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #478 on: March 27, 2025, 10:31:33 AM »
I agree with most of what Patrick says above. I'll just toss out there that I think the margins are narrowing. EPS, the sharing of knowledge etc. have made things closer. The VAM clones by all reports are pretty much indistinguishable from the real thing. I suspect the X68 is closer to an SL bike than the x38 is to a Foil. Time will tell.

Its not impossible, even with the price difference. Again, look at the US tariffs going back to Trump 1. There's a good reason that carbon frames at $600 were exempt at the urging of Parlee and others. There have been plenty of reports to sort of place the actual cost of most outsourced framesets in that ballpark. Now, aside from marketing, sponsorship, cache, and multi level distribution, what accounts for the retail price of a real SL8? I don't doubt there are some corners cut, but several thousand dollars in corners? An SL8 frameset is over 3k. Without a handlebar/stem. So yeah, for some of us cost is a consideration.

In my case the algebra was simple. I'm 65. Its questionable whether I'll be comfortable on an aggro geometry bike (and for how much longer, lol), and rather than risk 2500 or so on a used sl8 to find out, here I'm risking 700 bucks. If the geo works and the bike is nice enough, I'll hang on to it, if it sucks in either ride or fit, its not an economic disaster. I've had non clone bikes from Hong Fu etc that were fine, and while this is a more sophisticated thing, I'm not worried.

Still, I'd be willing to pitch a hundred bucks Patrick's way to help fund an x68 back to back, out of genuine curiosity as to how close or far from an acknowledge halo bike it is.

PS-I hear you, Patrick about the "softness" of the sl8 relatively. Its why I sort of chuckle at reviews of the x68 that say its "slightly soft". Hell, the real thing is.

patliean1

Re: Seraph Bikes Superlight 836g X68 - Alternative to SL8 Fakes?
« Reply #479 on: March 27, 2025, 11:11:48 AM »
You are far too kind and generous @glepore thank you!

I'm still reviewing TanTan's latest gravel frame so I don't wanna ruin my good graces with them until all the video content has been fulfilled. Also I suspect they wouldn't be keen on sending the X68 for reviews since they don't really wanna be promoting clones in public's eye. The X38 Scott Foil clone I paid for myself.

TanTan would most likely want me to commit financially to the X68. I'll see if I can negotiate haha. It's 2 month turnaround anyway.